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Do you realize how broad this definition is ? Doesn't incarceration cause mental suffering ? Doesn't shift-work cause mental and physical suffering ( sleep deprivation ) ? Isn't loud music/noise a form of torture ? I can pull as many examples out of my ass as you want, but unless we are all talking about the same thing, discussion is futile. PS Why would you think I was talking about you, INow ?

So people who want a definition of torture 'get off on hurting other people' ??? But those who agree with your unstated definition are saints who wouldn't hurt anyone ? Am I in the right thread, or am I in the 'transgendered athletes' thread, where questioning gets you accused of being part of the problem ? This thread has wondered all over the place ( currently criminal police behavior ) , and we still have no definition of torture.

What threats do you understand at two years of age, other than disconfort/pain ? Please give an example. Doesn't that depend on the reason for doing it ? If you smacked a prisoner's hand every day, for the period of his incarceration, would that be torture ?

Again, that depends on your definition of torture. Not being telepathic, I have no idea what you were thinking about. ( and I still don't since I cannot watch your video link )

I see rampant inequality in all three of INow's examples. Those three brats are watching the game for free; all those suckers in the stands had to pay ... One of the problems with analogies/memes 😄 .

didn't know that. Thanks.

Being directly under Dim's post, I would assume you'd understand it was meant for him. I think we're all arguing for the same thing INow, but different ways to acheive it. You seem fixated on the rights of the small underbrush in the forest to get access to sunlight, and want to cut down neighboring trees to give them that access, thereby disadvantaging the neighboring trees. I want to see the underbrush re-planted in an open field, so that the underbrush AND the neighboring trees are not disadvantaged.

Seems Peterkin wants to eliminate any, and all, options that a person can make that would be unlawful. Shift all responsibility from the person to 'society'; that will solve all sorts of problems ( 😑 extreme sarcasm 😑 ). All depends on your definition of torture. If your two year old child, being curious, wants to stick a fork in the electrical outlet, do you slap his/her hand hard enough that they remember the pain and never do it again, or do you explain the dangers of electricity to them, and hope that they understand, and don't kill themselves the next time you're not looking ?

Like the Moby Dick/Melville references, Joigus. Here's one of my favorites ... There's also the quote from Star Trek: the Wrath of Khan ... “…To the last, I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart, I stab at thee; for hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee.” - Moby-Dick, quoted by Khan Noonien Singh Seems Star Trek writers liked H Melville.

I shouldn't have to... But essentially, society ( and sporting bodies ) should provide for equal opportunity for all, which means cis females should be able to compete against people of similar capabilities ( which we have been saying all along ); not cis men, or trans females who have the capabilities of cis men. Once that is provided by society, you, personally have to make the extra effort to excel and come in first in the competition. Equality of outcome is a pipe dream; if everyone gets gold, even the person who strolls to the finish line in the 100m race, that is not competition. But it might be the 'game' you keep referring to.

It seems some of us don't know the difference between 'equality of opportunity' and 'equality of outcome'. Everyone should have the former. Not everyone gets the latter.

Are you perhaps struggling to see your own bias against differing opinions 😄 😄

I guess you finally realized the unfairness of the situation, INow. The US national Women's Team got trounced, and could not compete, against the Canadian National Women's Team, at the Olympics, because we have a transgender, non-binary player named Quinn ( not their full birth name ). They are the first transgendered, non-binary person to medal at the Olympics. Where are the American transgendered, non-binary athletes ? Don't ever accuse Canadians like JC, or I, of being non-inclusive, or transphobic. 😄 😄 😄

Sorry, you are right INow. I shouldn't have included JC, but I have certainly never brought up chromosonal differences as a metric. After all,, a pre-pubescent girl is just as strong and fast as a pre-pubescent boy; it is the hormones that become active with puberty that differentiates their later physical prowess in athletic competition. ( remember when USSR girl gymnasts were given puberty delaying drugs so as to give them an advantage in strength to body mass ratio ? ) I will allow JC to make his own arguments with respect to chromosonal differences.

Most ( if not all ) eyeglass lenses have anti-glare, or anti-reflection, coatings. I'm fairly certain some household cleaning chemcals will attack those coatings ( IIRC ammonia might ) Do be careful what you use. I used to be strongly myopic ( till I had my cataracts removed ), and to get relatively thin edges on the lenses, I would get 1.8 index glass. Very thin in the center ( 2 mm ) but glass can be heavy. I never had to worry about scratches, and would clean them with dry tissue paper. I now use plastic ( polycarbonate ) lenses, but even with the 'hardness'coating, or treatment, they will scratch relatively easy.

Who are these 'people'? We have repeatedly stressed the performance differences in competitions, and the need to have categories which allow the largest number of people to compete as fairly as possible; including cis, and trans, women. I don't think either JC, or I, have brought up XX/XY chromosonal differences. How many times have you brought it up ?

Visited my aunt in Switzerland two years ago. She lives North-East of Zurich ( Dietlikon ). Didn't like it at all. There are no houses; only small apartment buildings, and they all look the same. Society is very neat/ordered however, and they have sit-down bars in liquor/wine stores; so not all bad. ( I liked Southern Germany much better; and cheaper ) My cousin took me to Rhinefalls, and said "This is the largest waterfall in Europe". I said "Meh, we have Niagara Falls" But I did have a coffee in the cafe that A Einstein frequented when he attended Zurich Polytechnic.

That's pretty neat. I could use one of those to chase, and shoot at, my cat.

As long as the output voltages are equivalent, and well regulated, higher output amperages are not a problem. I say 'well regulated', because some switching power supplies ( mostly cheap computer supplies ) need a minimum output amperage on the main output, to regulate properly. Your original, and the replacement are close enough that it shouldn't be a problem.

Sometimes, first order approximations are used because the rest of the terms are trivial in comparison ... If basketball players could increase their height through medical means, I'm sure there would be rules put in place, to 'discriminate' against them. But if they are born tall ( or a woman ), you cannot do so. Can we please stop with the peg/hole, basketball, or 'Mike Tyson has a sex change' analogies ? None of them reflect the fact that including transwomen in the women's competitive sports categories discriminates against ciswomen. The alternate, transmen, competing in men's categories, does not. ( but it may relegate the transmen competitors to the back of the pack )

There is a certain amount of inspiration provided by world class competitors, for us common folk. I wonder how many people join a gym, or go do some laps in a pool, after watching Olympic feats. Or get together with friends to kick a soccer ( football ) ball around, or join a league, after watching World, or Euro, Cup soccer. Or toss a pigskin around on a Fall day after watching a ( American ) football game. Maybe without these sporting competitions, obesity would be even more rampant.

I might squint a lot, and am usually unshaven when not working, but I'm no 1960s Clint Eastwood.

Seems a little early to be worrying about events several billion years in the future ... I'm trying to decide what to have for lunch tomorrow.

I remember reading/hearing about S Weinberg, A Salam, and S Glashow, in the early 80s while finishing up my degree. I have his books, at least one of Glashow's, and Salam's Nobel acceptance talk ( in book form ). All excellent. He seems so old in the YouTube video, compared to 40 years ago. ( don't we all )

Ahh ... bourbon. I like Woodford Reserve; cheap and good. Warms you right up during those Canadian winters. ( just to stay on topic )