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I'm an old person too, Col. yes, IOW = in other words I believ I was the one who originally mentioned the need for a co-ordinate system, back on page 11 of this discussion. Maybe my idea of a metric is not the same as yours Markus, and if not please elaborate so that we may all understand better. Is the metric not a measure of the deviation of the co-ordinate space ? It surely isn't a measure of actual deviation in 'real' space. (IOW, space-time has no actual 'fabric' that bends )

This is getting serious ! Now we're going Biblical on each other. Just kidding. Didn't know so many of us atheists could quote the Bible.

Interesting but somewhat confusing. You want a differentiation between the mathematical description, and actual, physical space. You have stated we have the mathematical description, but haven't yet tackled what we mean by actual, physical space. IOW, we have the model, but what is the actual reality ? ( and Dad says we don't know, which you agree is valid ) I would assume, as a scientist, you know how science works. We build models ( mathematical models, not toys ) and test them against reality to find their limited areas of applicability. The only model that is 100% applicable is the reality itself. I have to ask, how else would you model actual, physical space, if not mathematically ??

I really have no idea what the OP is about. But, at the risk of going off-topic, this caught my eye. And if we can come to a common understanding of what 6th generation entails ( as opposed to 5th and 4th ), I would be more than willing to discuss the topic at length, with you. In a new thread in the engineering section, of course.

Couldn't agree with you more, Ken. Because violence ( and other crimes ) remain illegal, no matter how noble the cause. I realize you're trying to 'educate' me, INow, but I have to quote Matthew 7:5 to you ( and because I think Biblical quotes would annoy you ) "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." But I appreciate your efforts, brother .

Look all I've said is , if you feel violence has qualifiers, and is justified in some case, just say so. Don't say violence is always bad, but in some cases its acceptable. If you are attacked and have the option of leaving/walking away, then killing in so called self defense is not justified either; and everybody at a protest is there voluntarily and has the choice of leaving. But that's my opinion; I realize thee are others. And another thing... I never said that they were. Everyone else keeps on bringing up this 'equivalency' as they compare the two protests. All I've said is that violence is wrong in either protest. So why id I get accused of 'whataboutism,' when you guys are doing it ?

Wow ! And silly me thought it was D Trump who was trying to establish a dictatorship...

HF acid is particularly nasty, as it doesn't necessarily give indication that you've been exposed to it. I've always kept a tube of Calcium Gluconate cream nearby when I've had to work with it. ( along with all other required PPE. )

Cyanoacrylate adhesive ( superglue ) is often used to 'seal' open wounds, where stitches might be too obtrusive. Doctors don't seem to be worried about absorption and toxicity. And superglue might keep your hairpiece on for months at a time. Better yet, shave your head and grow a beard.

Umm, windows are one thing, Zap. Would you feel better if you were one of the 5 killed at the Capital, or on of the 18 killed during the BLM protests? And lets not confuse the issue with self defense; we are discussing perpetrating violence, up to and including the death of innocent bystanders. At both protests people were there by choice, and some ( not all ) willfully harmed ( and killed ) innocents. In my opinion, violence is violence, no qualifiers. I recognize that others may have a different opinion, as you've stated ( personally, I would have used hate crimes as an example ) But it's like pulling teeth trying to get others ( hi, INow ) to admit they qualify their violence. Ahh, but here's the rub, those 'rapscallions' ( interesting choice of word ) firmly believe they were saving the country from an insurrection mounted by the Democrats, to steal an election which D Trump actually won. In their minds, they were modern day G Washingtons, rebelling against an attempt to install an illegitimate Government. They were told so by their/your President !

And I don't want to split hairs either, but this is another example of the 'whataboutism' that I previously accused you of. You claim that you've done a search, but cannot find any instances in your previous posts, but I don't think you realize you are doing it. You are trying to justify that one violence is worse than the other by invoking motivation. Whereas I lump all violence together as unwarranted and bad, you compare different instances of violence, and proclaim one is worse, and the other, better. Maybe we could just ask the victims which is better 🙂 . ( I added the smiley face so Zapatos doesn't get overly concerned ) Well, since INow wants to look at motivation, all those idiots at the Capital did, in fact, believe that the election was illegally 'stolen', and so, their 'cause was ( to them ) just and legal. And, as INow says of the BLM protests, that was their central strategy; the B+E, property damage, and violence was only at the 'margins'. Hell, most of the idiots from the Capital, captured on video, look like they're sightseeing. Indeed. Never mind that D Trump is a power-hungry moron, and they are idiots for believing him; they had the support of the sitting President! If the President orders you to go to war, do you question the legality, and refuse ? That would have been great for all those who didn't want to go to Vietnam; they had to come to Canada instead.

The only part I focused on was the violence. And this applies to Swansont also; the two protest events DO have violence in common. That applies to both, and, and, in that respect they ARE equivalent. As a matter of fact, one could argue that there has been much more violence perpetrated during the Summer's BLM protests than there was at the Capital. See here https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/08/14-days-of-protests-19-dead/ It is the 'symbolism' of the events that makes the Capital insurrection much more damaging. If you have any doubt about my meaning, I suggest a re-reading of the OP; it focuses on the violence of current protests, NOT comparisons between different protests. I will throw you a bone, INow, this part is accurate. There was a disproportionate response to the two protests in question, but, as I did not set out to compare, or equate, the two, did not mention it. The two different protests were only mentioned in the OP as they both involve violence. And, almost as if to prove the point, Beecee has posted about the relatively peaceful protests in Australia. We used to have protests like that in the US; what has happened ? ( that was the intent of the OP )

Such a misnomer... Well, that's that then. Into the rubbish with my Pink Floyd album ...

Erastosthenes' method/writings are lost to history. What is preserved is Cleomedes' method/writings. Unfortunately, his lifetime is not known accurately; somewhere between 100BCE and 400CE. So assuming Cleomedes' lived about 200CE, John would be right.

That seems like a 'loaded' question to me. Almost an accusation. I would think it was your question that had ( not so ) hidden meaning. So you explanation is that ALL the violence at BLM protests was perpetrated by 'planted' fascists, who want to discredit the BLM movement ? Or do you mean that they had signs which stated their intent, but the violence happened 'accidentally' ? If the former, you had better provide some credible evidence, or are you gonna go Trump on us, and claim 'fake news'? If the latter, the next time I punch someone out, I'l be holding a sign that says " Friendly Discussion"; I'll let you know how it holds up in court.

Yes. Where my ( or those I care about ) life and liberty is threatened; otherwise, no. No, you have groups 'protesting' against 'blacks being killed for no reason', by hurting innocent people, destroying property, and taking over cities. I think I have made my stance against any kind of violent protests well known on this forum. Everyone has the right to protest, but that right ends when it starts infringing on the rights of others. PS The certificate for the site seems to have expired ? Company firewall wouldn't let me on at work. Had to wait till I got home

Not to worry Zap, friends should be able to talk about this sort of stuff. Well, you're willing to excuse violence perpetrated in the BLM protests, because those protesters feel they are being discriminated against by Police/Justice System. When did violence gain a case sensitive meaning ? Violence IS violence. Whether there is an equivalence ( or not ), is immaterial. And I never made any such claim, I was accused of doing so. Complaining of me misinterpreting you, when you misinterpret me, seems a little one-sided. Would it help alleviate Zapatos' concerns if I included 'smiley faces' with my posts ?

Thanks JC. ( I'm at work, so I don't have much time. Other than that example with regards to INow, there is also Swansont's from the top of the last page. I commented on the uncharacteristic behavior of American protesters, both at the Capital and during the Summer BLM/G Floyd protests; I expect those kind of violent protests in other countries. Swansont immediately commented that I was making an equivalence, when, in effect, HE was. And someone liked his comment. A If you don't like how we interpret what you write, maybe you shouldn't write it that way. I interpret it the same as JC. You claim that some violence is good if it's for the right cause; and some is bad if it's for the wrong cause. And of course, YOU (and those who think like you ) are the arbiters of right and wrong.

If you had stopped there, I would have given you a +1 also. Unfortunately you misguidedly went on about 'whataboutism', when some of you guys are the biggest offenders. Anytime JC or I ( and a few others ) mention mis-steps by American progressives/Democrats, your first answer ( as well as Swansont, Phi, and a few others ) is always "But the Republicans do much much worse; they can't even be compared. So why are you even bringing it up ?" If you can't think of the times you've done this, I can post numerous examples/quotes. If that is your attitude, it is going to be a boring 4 years in the Politics Forum. Everytime someone criticized the new Government, your first response will be "But D Trump did much worse during his Presidency." And then I'm told I have biases

I didn't compare the actions. I compared the mindset of the perpetrators. Don't let your biases misinterpret my meaning.

Haven't seen this type of behavior since ( video clips of ) the late 60s. Seems violent protest is the new normal for American society. This past year has seen an insurrection on the elected Government of the Country, as well as a Summer of violent protests against authority/Judicial system, while cities were taken over, and held, by unlawful protesters. D Trump just lit the fuse ( or recognized the flaw ), it can't all be blamed on him; this is uncharacteristic behavior for the American people, on both sides of the political spectrum. Does the end justify the means now? Is violence and destruction warranted when you think your cause is just ? Whatever happened to reasoning and discourse ? Has it been replaced by emotional response ? You guys better tone it down, before you actually tear your country apart ( remember 1861 ? )

I would think that a 'cure' is any process which moves you closer to the center of the 'spectrum', or, what is considered normal. Psychopathic thoughts are common to a wide range of people; we all have 'dark' thoughts from time to time. ( I have often thought of going to England to beat up Dimreepr, when he makes one word/obscure posts ) The difference is that most people's psyche has built-in checks to control those 'dark' thoughts; people who get diagnosed as 'psychopaths' are missing those checks ( in various degrees ), and act on those 'dark' thoughts. For mild cases of psychotic behavior the 'cure' is as simple as therapy which allows the person to recognize the harm they do by acting on those 'dark' thoughts. Imprisoned criminals are usually asked if they regret the harm they caused to others; an indication they have been rehabilitated, when they're up for early release/parole

You were right then, and you are still right now, Zap. Information without evidence, or rational reason, is Religion. Based solely on belief, and can be 'twisted' subjectively by the believer. No need for a deity; a cult of personality will do. And while you expect it of people in the Middle Ages, it's really surprising how many people still fall for 'cults' to this day.

I see no problem with what Australia is doing. Any country has the right to favor local information providers over foreign ones. No different than import taxes or tariffs. Or "Buy American". Google then choosing ( or threatening ) to withdraw their service is shooting themselves in the foot. I suppose it all depends on HOW the Aussie Government implements this revenue sharing ( with News Organizations ),

Exactly. There is a wide range of mental conditions, some of which overlap, and the reason we call it a spectrum. All of us belong on this spectrum, and therefore human behaviour, even with 'normals' or 'typicals' is a largely unpredictive science, compared to math, physics or chemistry. There are also a wide range of 'cures', ranging from operable tumors, to medication, or even therapy. A blanket 'no' to all cures, forced or not, seems shortsighted. What is jail ( supposed to be ) other than rehabilitative therapy for wide-range psychopaths ? Similarly a blanket 'yes' is also problematical, because in some cases of mental conditions, it makes things worse by re-enforcing the problem. That has been my position from the beginning; this is not a simple question. ( actually, one could argue our current prison system does the same )