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On 1/11/2021 at 4:53 PM, beecee said:

If a person is in severe pain and his condition is terminal anyway, he/she should be able to decide that they have had enough, sad as that may be.

Which sort of raises another question...A few years ago, my Mum at 86 years of age, who was still living in her own apartment, [not far from my house] and under my care, had a fall. We called the Ambulance and she was transported to Hospital. A couple of days later, I got a call that there was no hope for her survival, and that the medical team needed my OK to switch off life support. 

Sorry to hear that Beecee. My mother in law still lives on her own, despite a few falls, at 89, and I've supported her decision to do so.

She's said she's determined to make it to 90. Tonight she was in especially good spirits and we joked about her making it to the point of technology having her live forever.

But the risks of living alone are understood.

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This is morally unacceptable to society. The politicans that allowed a person to commit suicide must resign or, better, kill themself

The right to commit suicide ought not to be taken away from mature citizens. Consultation houses have to be established especially for this purposes to give Pause and Reason enough to the suicidal(s).

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sound+mind https://ddclawfirm.com/staten-island-estate-planning/mean-sound-mind/  

17 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Sorry to hear that Beecee. My mother in law still lives on her own, despite a few falls, at 89, and I've supported her decision to do so.

She's said she's determined to make it to 90. Tonight she was in especially good spirits and we joked about her making it to the point of technology having her live forever.

But the risks of living alone are understood.

Yeah my Mum was going to be forced into a nursing home and she gave them more then a piece of her mind and told them what to do. It was only that she decided to sell and move into a unit not far from me that they reconsidered.

Our health care system though also inspected the unit, and installed railings in the bathroom, and other areas to facilitate here getting around easier, and she never really needed to use the stove with delivery of those already made meals at a small cost.

 

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18 hours ago, beecee said:

Yeah my Mum was going to be forced into a nursing home and she gave them more then a piece of her mind and told them what to do. It was only that she decided to sell and move into a unit not far from me that they reconsidered.

Our health care system though also inspected the unit, and installed railings in the bathroom, and other areas to facilitate here getting around easier, and she never really needed to use the stove with delivery of those already made meals at a small cost.

 

The other side of that coin, a friend of mine was invited to not be resuscitated, by a doctor, because he was a heavy drinker/smoker...

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I think there should be an opportunity for people who really want it.
What else is the way out? In the end, you find another option. It is better to have a controlled possibility and not endanger other people.
I have a relative myself who shot himself. He was terminally ill and did not want to die in the hospital after a long period of suffering. I can understand even if I might still be hoping it could change something for the better. If you have agreed on that, then it should be your own decision. I don't have to come up with any morals or ethics. I think everyone can make this decision themselves and then doesn't need a person to show why it supposedly shouldn't work.

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26 minutes ago, Zerbo said:

I think there should be an opportunity for people who really want it.
What else is the way out? In the end, you find another option. It is better to have a controlled possibility and not endanger other people.
I have a relative myself who shot himself. He was terminally ill and did not want to die in the hospital after a long period of suffering. I can understand even if I might still be hoping it could change something for the better. If you have agreed on that, then it should be your own decision. I don't have to come up with any morals or ethics. I think everyone can make this decision themselves and then doesn't need a person to show why it supposedly shouldn't work.

Because, from time to time we all get sad...😪

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The right to commit suicide ought not to be taken away from mature citizens. Consultation houses have to be established especially for this purposes to give Pause and Reason enough to the suicidal(s). There is even no reason why they should not be assisted in doing it "perfectly". However , with the statistics indicating that at least two thirds of suicidals committing actual suicide become repentant [very] soon after that ( ie, before their final death) , a moratorium is of vital importance before somebody takes their own life....

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On 2/14/2021 at 3:24 PM, zapatos said:

That is not an accurate depiction of Zerbo's relative's situation.

But it is an accurate dipiction of Zerbo/our situation, I'm not saying suicide is wrong; it just needs careful inquiry, for accuracy.

On 2/14/2021 at 4:22 PM, Prof Reza Sanaye said:

The right to commit suicide ought not to be taken away from mature citizens. Consultation houses have to be established especially for this purposes to give Pause and Reason enough to the suicidal(s). There is even no reason why they should not be assisted in doing it "perfectly". However , with the statistics indicating that at least two thirds of suicidals committing actual suicide become repentant [very] soon after that ( ie, before their final death) , a moratorium is of vital importance before somebody takes their own life....

Indeed, at last we agree. 

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2 minutes ago, Prof Reza Sanaye said:

Dimreepr said to me  :  

Indeed, at last we agree. 

 

Surely we do agree on many more things than you might right now guess : When I introduce nearly the whole of my teams' post"modern methodologies .. .  . . .Hhmmm   ?????

In the immortal words of Monty Python, "You were lucky"... 

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5 minutes ago, Prof Reza Sanaye said:

As   U   wish   !!

LOL, what are you going to do; wish me to death?

"I got up half an hour before I went to bed"... 😉

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On 12/8/2020 at 5:33 PM, zapatos said:

Yes. With the stipulation that the person is of 'sound' mind. Whatever that means. I've not thought through the details.

I think, no. Anyone with active suicidal thoughts is believed to not be of "sound" mind. Suicide often leads from mental illnesses, such as depression, which most of the time can be treated; denying adequate treatment would be wrong. If refractory, or untreatable, leading to unbearable suffering, in some countries, like here in Belgium, one can ask (and run through some procedures) for euthanasia.

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2 hours ago, dimreepr said:

LOL, what are you going to do; wish me to death?

"I got up half an hour before I went to bed"... 😉

I wish U the best of wishes. . . .. .Shall live  // by the help of Almighty Jesus // to be 101 Yrz old . . . .Even if only Iv gottN lots and lots 2 do with U in some of the most advanced branches of theoretical-applied knowledge . . .  

 

We'r gonna patent a dozN patntz . ...  

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At my current age of 76 years, I'm still enjoying life and have no real health problems. In actual fact I plan on living forever: So far, I'm doing OK. 😉 

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I don't personally view this question in terms of ethics or morality. I think under normal circumstances life always seeks to perpetuate life. IMO suicide is abnormal. It exists when there is an other than typical circumstance like an illness or disorder. I see it as beyond individual control (choice) which is why I do not apply morality and ethics to it.

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Does the conversation change at all if we include nonhuman animals taking their own lives? I'm thinking of beached whales and the like...

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1 hour ago, iNow said:

Does the conversation change at all if we include nonhuman animals taking their own lives? I'm thinking of beached whales and the like...

Did they get, counselling?

3 hours ago, Ten oz said:

I don't personally view this question in terms of ethics or morality. I think under normal circumstances life always seeks to perpetuate life. IMO suicide is abnormal. It exists when there is an other than typical circumstance like an illness or disorder. I see it as beyond individual control (choice) which is why I do not apply morality and ethics to it.

It's a bitter sweet symphony...

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