dimreepr

You should explian to the Dutch the futility of their approach. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-05-13/the-netherlands-is-closing-its-prisons That's not a claim I've made about any society, in any thread, nor have I claimed that 'a form' of incarceration (to protect society and themselves) is unnecessary, in any thread, ever; my only claim is, the vast (by which I mean vastly vast) majority of prisoner's in our civilised western society, is due to our governments (and by extention us) view of what civilised means.

Indeed, if we pay more attention to their culture, we might start to understand their reason's for choosing the devil they know...

When the game demands I cut off my ball's in order to win, it's no longer a game.

Define fair; for instance, is it fair that England's women's rugby team wins because they're paid to train harder than Scotland's women?

Is that your attempt to dismantle Kipling's poem, line by line? (very grown up)... To you maybe, but then you're not of that culture, so how do you know what they mean by the word criminal? If they had no jails, they had no prisoners ergo no criminal's, just banished people i.e. no bad Indian's, in their society. We have thieves because we have poverty and we have jail's because we have thieves. As you said in your Anzac thread "Lest we forget"... If a culture makes a business out of prisons, they'll need an excuse to populate them.

"God of our fathers, known of old, Lord of our far-flung battle line, Beneath whose awful hand we hold Dominion over palm and pine — Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget—lest we forget! The tumult and the shouting dies; The Captains and the Kings depart: Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice, An humble and a contrite heart. Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget—lest we forget! Far-called, our navies melt away; On dune and headland sinks the fire: Lo, all our pomp of yesterday Is one with Nineveh and Tyre! Judge of the Nations, spare us yet, Lest we forget—lest we forget! If, drunk with sight of power, we loose Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe, Such boastings as the Gentiles use, Or lesser breeds without the Law— Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget—lest we forget! For heathen heart that puts her trust In reeking tube and iron shard, All valiant dust that builds on dust, And, guarding, calls not Thee to guard; For frantic boast and foolish word— Thy Mercy on Thy People, Lord!" - Rudyard Kipling Where does it say that? In your own country, a bad aboriginal would've been banished from the tribe.

At some point, children go from why to how...

Occum's razor doesn't provide an answer, it just provides a tipping point; why does the water run this way???

The fundamental question is, why me? The fundamental answer is, why not?

Only one of which know's or care's, the stage doesn't doesn't need too. See above.

We can't exist without Earth but the Earth can exist without us.

Lest we forget

lol +1

There's always a get out clause in any algorithm, a limited counter with a least objectionable outcome.

“This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.” ― Douglas Adams,

Which, by definition is not extreme.

Of course we're meant to know, God is man made comfort blanket; he'll get the bully for you. If we know he's limitated, the blanket won't cover every one. Religion is designed to give (every) one peace of mind, and for that one must believe absolutely that God/karma/other mechanisism work's, to allay our fear of everyday life. But you can change your mood... 😉

I don't have to be a tree to know I don't need a leaf.

Indeed, it's the difference between being covered in shit and being covered in fertiliser. 🙏

What's the point of a God that can't protect you or seek revenge on your behalf?

Who knows, but it's much likely to work with Putin pressing the button than Trump. Isn't that what they say about military intelligence?

Indeed, nothing can be self aware without a mind and what's the point of consciousness, if one is not aware of it?; it's like the question of whether, or not, a virus is alive. The line on the spectrum depends on how we define the question.