dimreepr

Only, if we can get back on topic, if you want a pension... 😉

Present your evidence, if you can... 🙄 "1984" didn't seem that funny... 😉

No, he clearly said that it began as that and then it turned into something else, ergo not a parody... Thank you for your concerns, but I've never suggested that "BNW" was a utopia, the best you'll get, is my suggestion that if AI replaced genetics, as a source of workers, then "BNW" is the closest we'll get to that no-place. You have yet to pursuad me that the novel is entirely (your word) dystopian...

No he didn't, he said (I'm paraphrasing) "it gets very nuanced, the more you think about it"... 😉 What he didn't say is, it's a satirical novel. You're not addressing my point, your hiding from it...

The point I assumed we were (just about on topic/relevant) discussing, i.e. the motivation and meaning behind Huxley's novel "BNW". What were you discussing? I'm sorry but that green 1 is undeserved, it's gotta go. Did 'he' tell you that? I'm struggling with the concept of a satirical take on a science fiction novel.

And this argues my point, How?

It's a bit fatalistic to just give up the search, it can be better, especially in the context of this thread.

TBH I read it a long time ago, so no I don't; but you know what they say about a double edged sword, So John hangs himself bc he couldn't get what he wanted; sounds like somer o'clock could have helped... What do you suppose that means? Left is right?

I've got my fingers crossed, "BNW" without the genetics, I think it's best we can hope for... I'm not convinced that Huxley wrote it as a dystopia.

By what mechanism could it be stopped? In a "BNW" it was genetic engineering that provided the worker's and AI is a long way from that level. I think the world wide trend that's most responsible for the current swing, is the average age (of everyone) of the competent decision maker's has increased in relation to the reproduction rates. Which has happened in a very few decades. I think the pendulum will return, when the children can't bear the weight of unproductive pensioner's.

He didn't invent it, 'they've' been doing that since 'whatshisname' invented the printing press... 😉

Not intentionally. but ok; no storm has ever happened before, but we can certainly see similar patters and extrapolate, they do it everyday on morning TV. Fair enough, you win... 🙂

The biggest problem is, very few people understand money and it's value...

Sorry, my friend thought he was being funny when my back was turned 😣; it was on the back of a half digested thought we were discussing. The oncoming storm, we know it's coming bc it's happened before; but it's seen through the filter of our elders, who 'survived it' but tend to exaggerate (I nearly died, if I stood over there) for the sake of a good story. The reality was, for most of them; it rained a lot and if I was outside I would have got very very wet. It's the old why can't we learn from history and apply it today?

Isn't it strange that we all see 'the on coming storm', but no logic can explain why we believe...

Bolded mine. I see, you want "A Brave New World" but you don't understand why it's bad... 😉

Logic dictates that the conclusion follows the premise, in this case we need to establish the difference between a reason and an excuse. A 'reason' for an action is logical bc the conclusion naturally follows the premise; for instance, the reason I walked to the petrol station, is bc I ran out of petrol. An 'excuse' for an action may not be logical bc the premise is probably false; for instance, the reason I walked to the petrol station , is bc I want to seem virtuous.

Why? Let me guess, bc you read the daily mail and they told you not to...

nope... it's more a bet of foundations.

Did you?

Ok, so two MEAGA's, one dark and one light aren't going to fall out, got it. On that very tentative premise, if we can get back to the topic question; who, from Trump's initial choice's will be absent by the midterms?

The pendulum will always swing to it's natural end, before the revolution begins again. If anything, I think the AI-fication of our society would speed up the change of direction; again I'm reminded of Assimov's 'Hari Seldon's' psychohistory and it's inherent faults.

Neither...

You're missing my original point about Pascal's wager; there's no reason to believe in god or free will, but it's a good excuse to forgive yourself for all of your yesterdays/mistakes and enjoy today and possibly tomorrow too. That's why forgiveness of the self, is key, in understanding what the wager implies...

Maybe