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  • Birthday 12/11/1953

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    The computer game "Civilization", trying to figure out the stock market, philosophy of life, and scientific unanswered questions.
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    BS in Business
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    Married, two daughters, two dogs, a house and unlucky me, no job.
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  1. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    Right. is my point. The leader of the free world, happened to have enjoyed, as a millionaire, the favors of ladies, in his many encounters with such. Such ladies often got something for their favors. It does not make Trump the devil. There is, in the apt mind, the ability to hold two contradictory ideas. To denounce a person's treatment of women, while lauding their ability to command the discussion for two years with tweets. Trump remains the most powerful person in the world. This is higher status than you or I have achieved. He must have some capability to rise to this position. Since he is a millionaire himself, I doubt he was bought, and I don't think he is subject to the pressures that Wellington group or the Koch brothers might bring to bear. He is an actual strong leader, with good ideas and speaks the truth, rather than playing identity politics. He gets things done, and takes decisive action. I think part of the problem, since the election is grief. Hilary was on her way to be the first woman president, and when she lost, the hopes and dreams of millions were dashed. I recently lost my dad, and looked up again the five stages of grief. I knew them from before, as I looked them up when I was getting laid off my job, as everybody else was too, and I recognized the stages of grief being run through by myself and the people around me. One of the stages is denial, and I think a large part of our country has been in this stage since the election. If you were a Hillary supporter, look up the five stages of grief and reflect a moment upon which stage you are in. One day you will arrive at acceptance, but judging by this thread, I would guess it is not imminent. Regards, TAR just noticed I dropped another 3 rep points no idea why what I am saying is at all wrong or evil I am out again. You guys are hopeless. You seem to enjoy responding to my posts, so I am thinking I am at least making you think. Unfortunately I hate neg reps, and don't enjoy accruing them when I make a good argument. Sorry to challenge your narrative, but it needs challenging, and the real world needs to be lived in. You need me and I need you. The middle ground needs to be inhabited. Figure it out on your own. I am out. Deleting my favorite. You are on your own for a while. Disgusted, TAR
  2. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    I have been in corporate America, (a Japanese owned company) and I remember a year were we will losing money and Japan was keeping us open. I was smoking a cigarette and looking out in the parking lot at hundreds of late model cars, each representing an employee with a family that supported the local shoe maker, day care, grocery store...etc. I decided that we were winning, just by being in business.
  3. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    So Swansont, did the lady that sat with Trump in first class consent to the groping for many minutes and decide to leave when it got to heavy, as I said, or does the incident amount to rape and require the removal of our president from office?
  4. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    A structure that allows people to buy as little or as much coverage as they desire, unencumbered by mandates and fines for not purchasing insurance. By getting the medical community together with the insurers, the hospitals and doctors and structuring a system that works. Perhaps if we put a 20% tariff on goods coming in from Mexico, we can pay for the wall. The thought is, as in trickle down, that if employers have more money to spend, they will spend it on research and development, productivity improvements, and wages and salaries, thus spurring the economy and increasing tax receipts, across the board, plus repatriating 20% of off shore income is better than getting 40 percent of zero.
  5. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    He also campaigned on infrastructure spending, more sensible trade deals and deals with Iran...all things that he is having trouble moving in congress because the dems have a very unsensible no vote prior even reading the proposed legislation. Nancy famously said we would read what was in Obamacare AFTER we passed it, so please don't use the argument that the republican legislation is brought in the night. The tea party shutting down government under Obama is no less stupid and non-middle ground seeking, than the dems current stance.
  6. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    The president does not make the legislation. He asks for it to be made. He wants to repeal and replace Obama care, simplify and lower taxes to promote business and reclaim money that has flowed offshore to avoid our punishing tax code, build a wall to prevent illegal entry of drugs and human traffic into our nation. He has asked for these things, pushed for these things and given reason for these things. If the dems don't want to give up progressive goals, and block the legislation at every turn, it is not the president's fault that nothing is getting done. Ten Oz, I did not advocate other countries changing their laws to allow our beef. I brought it up that there are reasons for other countries to ban some of our imports, but not reason to block our other very vetted and tested products in other areas. Regards, TAR
  7. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    Ten Oz, I failed to write legislation, and that is your problem with my position? That is what the people we elected to congress are there for, to govern. Currently the only policy the dems have is resist, or impeach. It is those folks that need to make the hard choices and flesh out the middle ground so that we all can move forward. Make the compromises required to pay the bills. save the world and keep our country rich and strong. It is folly for the dems to think the world could be saved without the capital, technology and systems in place in our corporations and private businesses. These entities are not the "rich" that the tax breaks are benefiting at the expense of the poor. These people are the ones growing the food, building the dams, shipping in resources from around the world, building the factories and airports and ports that make the place tick. The rich are not our enemy, the rich are all of us in this country. Our weakest are fatter and more comfortable than the strongest in some countries. (not literally, but on the whole the case, as there are areas in some countries where shanty towns and filth flowing down the street is easy to find, where most areas of this country, the U.S.A. have indoor plumbing and heated buildings and fully stocked grocery stores, hospitals, universities, hardware stores and gas stations within a short drive, if not walk. My position is not that we should eat and the rest of the world should starve. My position is that if I cut down the forest, moved the rocks, plowed and harrowed the fields, planted the grass, and raised some sheep or cows or goats on it, then it is me that gets to choose whether I milk the cow or eat it. As a society we have parsed things out and arranged things so that we can both eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, and chicken salad for lunch, and a steak for dinner with ice cream for desert. Other countries can arrange their lives in the same manner should they make the effort. We have built dams and pumped water from the aquafer to accomplish our way of life. Others can copy us or do it their own way, but I don't need to eat kelp to save the world for someone else. Consider a hungry child in an other country. Where are her neighbors, where are her parents, where are the good people in her country that should be finding her something to eat? It is not on me. The growing population is stressing the Earth. Each human should produce children at the rate they can manage and take responsibility for, given limited resources. There is not a moral commandment to provide for others before you provide for your own. I retain the right to keep my way of life, regardless of the fact that others are not as well off. If my country is structured to be a better place to live than another then if you are the other, copy me. If your country is a better place to live then here, then maintain the way of life you have built. There is no moral commandment that says because of Imperialism, the West should eat Kelp so former colonies can eat corn. It actually has turned out that because of imperialism we have a global community. Regards, TAR As an aside, to illustrate that we are fighting against our selves and not looking to inhabit the middle ground, I was researching who owns the media, to figure out how and why we are so polarized and why people that watch Fox view people that watch CNBC as the enemy and vice-a-versa. My wife used to work for Time Inc. and Meredith publishing that has the market of magazines for women cornered, bought them for 1.3 billion. I looked to find out who owns Meredith and the biggest owners are financial investment houses, primarily related to Black Rock. Going further I keep getting back to a single owner, a private group called Wellington, with a Trillion dollars of assets. I am pretty sure that what you and I think has a lot to do with what the Wellington group thinks we should think.
  8. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    Ten Oz, Taxes I want to see simplified progressive taxes where low income people pay little and large income people pay a lot and middle income pay a reasonable amount, with sta ndard deductions to everybody to account for charity and local taxes and such. Most important is to not penalize small businesses for making money, or to take larger amounts from capital gains income. Now in my time of life my money is working for me. It is still my money. If I benefit from interest or dividends or appreciated value, it should be my money to spend to live. My money is capital for mortgages, car loans, student loans and business loans. I should be paid a little to loan it out. Those gains are honest gains, Healthcare is a mess. I don't think people should be forced by law to buy insurance. Neither do I think the government should be responsible for everyone's health care. People should be in charge of their own lives, make decisions to have babies or smoke or skydive or have unsafe sex or get a procedure or not. Neither do I think it is the responsibility of an employer to provide healthcare. Initially strong corporations offered health care plans as a benefit to attract and retain strong employees. It was never the legal responsibility of an employer to take care of their employees, and there is no reason, by the laws of nature or man where such should be the case. If you get paid you can buy food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, education, diversion or whatever, according to your needs and desires, and it should not be legislated as to how your money should be spent. NAFTA I think Trump is correct to think of America first and not structure the trade agreements to benefit other nations. We should be sensitive to our policies, regulations and taxes, to cause jobs to go out of country. Many countries sell their goods in our country and do not allow our good to compete in their countries. Some of the reluctance to sell our beef in Europe is due to the hormones we inject, and perhaps that is proper to not let such in, as the effects are not clear, and our wheat is perhaps causing obesity and addiction issues here, but most of our products are well engineered and tested and should be allowed in other markets without being made uncompetitive by government subsidies in the other country. That is , fair trade should be fair to the U.S. business and consumer and worker. swansont, http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/jessica-leeds-donald-trump-groped-on-plane-sexually-assaulted-inappropriately-touched-new-york-times-video-1980s-rachel-crooks/ Tells the same story I told, that she was invited up to first class to sit with Trump and she accepted. I saw an interview with her where she described the situation exactly as depicted in this article, with the additional information that the petting went on for 10 or 15 minutes, and she only left when his hand went up her skirt. 10 or 15 minutes is a long time to sit there with petting going on, to consider the touching unwanted many years later. Regards, TAR many times during the election cycle the actions of Hilary while senator and secretary of State were questioned by Republicans, and counter arguments were launched against Trump concerning his actions as a private citizen Two different areas of life, with different expected behavior, not directly held up against each other. If Trump as a millionaire treated women as objects, this does not relate directly to his ability to lead a nation, negotiate with world leaders, or challenge the Washington elite. There are a lot of industries that build up around government largess. Some of that needs to be rationalized. And in an effort to find out what you people consider the middle ground, I would ask what do you think Hilary would have done about the economy, Syria, ISIS, Iran, the Saudis, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, China, the Ukraine, the border, and the Opioid crisis?
  9. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    I saw a soda machine at the food counter at a movie house in Blacksburg, where no interaction with a person was required to by your drink. The woman on the plane with Trump did not say no. She sat there for 15 or 20 minutes, not denying his advances. Then got up and went back to her seat. I saw the interview with her where she states this. I think the incident happened, but I don't think it was without her consent. Middle ground requires that one, in addition to protecting a woman from an abusive spouse, protects a non-abusive spouse from being destroyed by a questionable claim. Sodemy is illegal some places, and was illegal some places where it is no longer. Since when does the progression of the human race require sticking a penis in someone's ass hole?
  10. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    SwansonT, half? The point is, a president should not be against her citizens at all. I heard a democrat official, talking about people that were in town to demonstrate for keeping the statues, like they were so evil as to not be allowed to exist. No matter what you or I think about David Duke or a group of students demonstrating for the right to display the confederate battle flag, they are citizens of this country and as long as they do not break any laws or hurt anyone, or interfere with anybody's civil liberties, they are allowed to exist in this country. A president can not be against his or her population. She cannot ask them to leave, because they do not measure up to her moral standards. Regards, TAR
  11. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    and 44 million of us, in the US own guns and those that own guns want to own them, and don't agree with you that not having them would be better if you are after middle ground, you have to entertain the desires of these 44 million fellow Americans. I read a piece, I know not where, that argued a husband could rape his wife, based on the wife saying it was rape, after the fact. and this is not fiction look at all the people coming out of the woodwork, claiming sexual assault and sexual abuse after 40 years
  12. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    dimreepr, That is my point. Dems think that touching your wife butt, without her permission is sexual abuse. So the wife is mad I didn't take out the garbage, and she calls the police when I slip my hand down her pants. There really is sexual abuse. Redefining what qualifies, does nobody any good. Regards, TAR
  13. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    Thread, Thank you for your condolences. My dad gathered us a few weeks ago and told us he wanted that we should not be sad. That is not going real well for me but I am trying. I understand that the world is different now, because we don't have him in it any longer. Big loss for everybody. Now you guys only have me to fill his shoes. Not easy shoes to fill, he was a special guy. The choice on election day was between Trump and Hilary, not a choice between evil and good. Hilary had relegated me and 46 million other people into a basket of deplorables. I am not, and never have been deplorable. I am a solid citizen and will continue to be such. Trump will never be the dictator you guys fear. Our country is structured to not allow that. There are arguments against any action a person or a country can make. The middle ground is achieved by accepting the arguments of all sides, and governing, by making the hard choices in terms of how to proceed. Take any argument, and look at both sides, all sides, and see who wins and loses and what people and ideas are served in various combinations of actions. There is NEVER a right and wrong way to go. This is what is so stupid about all dems voting one way and all repubs voting the other. There is no possible way that it could just so happen that an action is 100% wonderful to people wearing red shoes and 100% evil to people wearing blue shoes. Raising the min wage would cause fast food places to automate. Disallowing the burning of coal would leave coal miners out of work, and shift heavy manufacturing, were high heat smelting and such are required, to other countries. And the silly thing is, we then would ship our coal to the other countries and the Earth would suffer the burning any way. Making pot smoking legal in NJ would frustrate the education campaign we are waging in NJ to have young minds find natural highs, and would confuse young people as to what the law is considering that pot is a controlled substance on the Federal level. That is, using pot would be legal in NJ and you could get fired from your corporate job. It is never a black and white, yes and no, extreme position wins situation. It is our duty as intelligent folk. The top 10 percent of people in terms of intelligence and capability, to find the middle ground, and to on purpose pull ourselves away from the easy feel good argument. If governing were not hard, anybody could do it. I had a strong feeling that Hilary, who was proud to be enemy of the Republicans, the drug companies and the Iranians, would have a hard time being my president. So, together with the possibility that her carelessness gave up state secrets to foreign adversaries, and a general feeling that she did not have the weight to stand up against Putin, and Assad and Iran and North Korea and a hundred other indications I had, that Trump was a better negotiator and a stronger, more capable leader, I pulled the lever for Trump. North Korea did not start being a problem when Trump was elected. They were already an enemy. We have been at war since I was young. All the missiles and bombs and artillery pieces, computer hacking capability, nerve agents and all the other ways the regime has devised to kill the horrible Americans was already in place. Other presidents made mistakes and kicked the can down the road. Trump has met the threat and sees the best way to adjust the attitude of North Korea is to have China do it. So he negotiates with China. Regards, TAR just thought of a for instance Let's say dems put in place a law that says sexual abusers can not own weapons, at the same time they make a law that says touching a woman's butt constitutes sexual abuse. That would mean no one would be allowed to own a weapon, as most everyone has touched a woman's butt. what makes the middle ground desirable to look for, is that I am fine with both gun ownership, and touching women's butts and there have been women that have not objected, in fact appreciated the touch, and many folks own guns and never robbed a bank or murdered anyone in fact, we should be concerned about taking control out of individual's hands and giving it to the government If everybody owned a gun, there is no way Trump or Hilary, could become dictator, for instance. And if we disallowed touching each other's butts, we might address the overpopulation issue, but we would not have near as much fun living.
  14. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    Thread, This has devolved into a hate Trump thread. As much as one can denounce all business men for that one that screwed you, one should encourage the other 100,000,000 that were honest fiduciaries of your belongings. I often consider being right about things, the most important thing. But the world is too complicated to be right about everything, all the time. You have to put your faith in other people, to look after your interests. In the Army I once wrote an opinion piece to Stars and Stripes, that was published. It talked about people sometimes mistaking compassion for weakness, and it talked about giving up a few of your rights for others and how 180 million people would give up a few of their rights for you. 46 Million people voted for Trump. These are the same people that you pass in the street, that fight and die for you, that pick up your garbage, that pray for peace in church and give to charities, that run your company, that invest your 401, that give loans to startup business, that build the ports and universities that make your way of life possible. It is not that we have 46 million dupes and deniers of facts in our country. It is that we have 46 million TAR's. Regular people, that own businesses, make investments, loan money, build stuff, solve problems, fix stuff, and take care of the place and each other. My dad died yesterday morning. The guy in the bottom left of my profile picture. He was a brilliant man. A democrat. He served in the united states army fighting Hitler on a hill by the Saar river, where a machine gun bullet ripped through a nerve in his shoulder. He was sent to an orthopedic hospital instead of a neurological hospital and after months passed because of infection, he was finally operated on, back in the states, but the nerve had retracted and when attached it was too short and his left hand was crooked and not very functional. His dream of being a surgeon was dashed. He went to Muhlenberg got his masters at Lehigh and his doctor of psychology at Temple. He taught at Upsala college in East Orange and was a psychologist in private practice in New Jersey. He saved a lot of lives anyway. He didn't understand why I voted for Trump. Like you guys. Like all the Trump haters. My sister doesn't understand, my cousin in law doesn't understand, and political discussions this thanksgiving are potentially dangerous to family cohesion. And we, you and I, cannot resolve the differences of opinion here. Nor should we. The differences are real. But important to family cohesion is the fact that we love each other, and want to see each other succeed in life, be free, and respected and protected from the evils of the world. More important to love each other, than to be right. Sometimes being right is the wrong thing to do. So my suggestion for the table this Thanksgiving is to listen and to think about how the other is right, before you open your mouth. And decide, before you speak, if being right is more important than having a family and a country, that will protect you from the evils of the world. It is not important what you think Trump believes about global warming. It is important what we as Americans, do every day, about it. We are the same 320 million caring, capable people now, as we were, before the election. Happy Thanksgiving. Regards, TAR
  15. Why doesn't truth matter & middle ground

    SwansonT, He gets things done. He went to Seoul in person and gave a great speech about the wonderfulness of what South Korea has accomplished since the Korean war and how it was important to denuclearize the North, and he got a standing ovation from the parliament there. (This is at a time when 10,000 artillery pieces are aimed directly at where he stood.) He attended a Pacific area summit and one shot had scores of leaders walking together with the president of the United States front and center. He just had a call with Putin about peace in Syria and Crimea and working together to reel in North Korea. And you are still waiting for him to be impeached over something or another that has not been proven to have ever even occurred. Sad. Regards, TAR On the Access Hollywood tape, I used to joke with my family that I didn't wear shorts because my legs were so attractive that when women saw them they would get weak knees, faint, have car accidents and such, so it was better if I wore long pants. These things never happened. I also remember fibbing to associates, hinting that I was not a virgin, when I still was. In fact, I think when I stopped talking about sex with others was when I was actually having sex with others. This would indicate to me, that there is a strong possibility that Trump never grabbed anybody's pussy that didn't let him grab it.