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To what end? How does this help me think about reality, better than I do now? This is a backward step, a machine is a simple object and doesn't think, at least not in a way that we could understand; you may as well ask us to talk to an ant hill, bc the average ant colony has roughly the same number of neurons as that of a human.

Utter bollox (pun intended), this isn't like deciding to be <insert intolerance> bc the Jones' make it sound cool. If someone decides to cut off an appendage to release themselves from themselves, then it's a much deeper process than what's available on daytime TV. Imagine if the world could see your deepest and darkest cultural shame, whatever that is; and someone like you comes along and with no understanding of the pain involved, just point's and laugh's at you... So, how does it feel?

Perhaps, though I doubt they will be found in time... 😉

I missed this, it's seems to add weight to my initial argument: I've got my fingers crossed, "BNW" without the genetics, I think it's best we can hope for... I'm not convinced that Huxley wrote it as a dystopia.

It's just a switch away from being gallows humour...

This is what started this 'discussion'. I hesitate to reply, bc you don't seem in the mood to discuss anything. This is worth a look, if you can (give it 10 mins and you'll probably see it through). I think BNW is a fairly accurate analogy of the western world ATM, I wonder how many of us think we're living in a dystopian novel?

Only, if we can get back on topic, if you want a pension... 😉

Present your evidence, if you can... 🙄 "1984" didn't seem that funny... 😉

No, he clearly said that it began as that and then it turned into something else, ergo not a parody... Thank you for your concerns, but I've never suggested that "BNW" was a utopia, the best you'll get, is my suggestion that if AI replaced genetics, as a source of workers, then "BNW" is the closest we'll get to that no-place. You have yet to pursuad me that the novel is entirely (your word) dystopian...

No he didn't, he said (I'm paraphrasing) "it gets very nuanced, the more you think about it"... 😉 What he didn't say is, it's a satirical novel. You're not addressing my point, your hiding from it...

The point I assumed we were (just about on topic/relevant) discussing, i.e. the motivation and meaning behind Huxley's novel "BNW". What were you discussing? I'm sorry but that green 1 is undeserved, it's gotta go. Did 'he' tell you that? I'm struggling with the concept of a satirical take on a science fiction novel.

And this argues my point, How?

It's a bit fatalistic to just give up the search, it can be better, especially in the context of this thread.

TBH I read it a long time ago, so no I don't; but you know what they say about a double edged sword, So John hangs himself bc he couldn't get what he wanted; sounds like somer o'clock could have helped... What do you suppose that means? Left is right?

I've got my fingers crossed, "BNW" without the genetics, I think it's best we can hope for... I'm not convinced that Huxley wrote it as a dystopia.

By what mechanism could it be stopped? In a "BNW" it was genetic engineering that provided the worker's and AI is a long way from that level. I think the world wide trend that's most responsible for the current swing, is the average age (of everyone) of the competent decision maker's has increased in relation to the reproduction rates. Which has happened in a very few decades. I think the pendulum will return, when the children can't bear the weight of unproductive pensioner's.

He didn't invent it, 'they've' been doing that since 'whatshisname' invented the printing press... 😉

Not intentionally. but ok; no storm has ever happened before, but we can certainly see similar patters and extrapolate, they do it everyday on morning TV. Fair enough, you win... 🙂

The biggest problem is, very few people understand money and it's value...

Sorry, my friend thought he was being funny when my back was turned 😣; it was on the back of a half digested thought we were discussing. The oncoming storm, we know it's coming bc it's happened before; but it's seen through the filter of our elders, who 'survived it' but tend to exaggerate (I nearly died, if I stood over there) for the sake of a good story. The reality was, for most of them; it rained a lot and if I was outside I would have got very very wet. It's the old why can't we learn from history and apply it today?

Isn't it strange that we all see 'the on coming storm', but no logic can explain why we believe...

Bolded mine. I see, you want "A Brave New World" but you don't understand why it's bad... 😉

Logic dictates that the conclusion follows the premise, in this case we need to establish the difference between a reason and an excuse. A 'reason' for an action is logical bc the conclusion naturally follows the premise; for instance, the reason I walked to the petrol station, is bc I ran out of petrol. An 'excuse' for an action may not be logical bc the premise is probably false; for instance, the reason I walked to the petrol station , is bc I want to seem virtuous.

Why? Let me guess, bc you read the daily mail and they told you not to...