dimreepr

The second coming of Donald Trump, is like the second coming of Jesus... We all knew he'd be back... History has taught us that much...

The only difference between me and my gramps is, I wasn't in the firing line when I decided to conscientiously object to hurting people. Admit what, that witches are real? Now who's being obtuse. No, just another question you haven't answered; is that normal for folks on this site? You seem to think Hitler, as a baby is not evil and could be steered down a path of peace. I agree, so my sympathy is with baby people... 😉 Even you could be taught to be less judgmental, if you were taught by Jesuit's, according to Jesuit's...

If you have only one teacher, your thrall is with me...

I can't say that I've noticed a difference, I still don't walk into oncoming traffic...

I know you and @beecee, think I'm some sort of snowflake and not man enough to take a stand or make hard decisions; I just hope I'm the same sort of snowflake as my gramps, enlisted aged 14 for the 1st world war, fought for 2 year's and then became a conscientious objector in the full knowledge of the consequences. It's easy to follow the crowd, when someone shouts witch. Now please explain, how you know when "all else has failed"? That may sound philosophically smart to you, but it sounds down right practically dumb to me, and your usual obtuseness path in avoiding the answers when those answers conflict with your pretentious life philsophy. Sound's like a question to me, the question marks are a clue; hope that's not too cryptic for you... 😉

I tend to my own soul, by trying to teach other's what it's like to need a cain... No, they're always scared... Why would my sleep be disturbed? I can't know the answer...

What is an indigenous Ukrainian?

Sounds like justice to me... But Beecee want's revenge, so he'll never be at peace. 😉

How do you know when all else has failed? What metric are you using and what's the threshold? "One often meets his destiny on the road he chose to avoid it" - Jean de La Fontaine. Some people go through life, thinking they will never need a cain, so their happy to kick the cain away; when they do need one, they'll find mrs Karma flipping the bird... 😉

not really... Are you sure???

I only know, it tolls for me...

That's when real bravery kicks in...

No, I said it might be a kindness, after consideration. And that would be a kindness, even if the paedophile is free to commit again? Can't you see, that my question is just as impossible to know as the premis your basing your argument on? He was also brought up in a society that thinks it's acceptable to gerrymander and defend police brutality; forgive me for thinking, he may have a bias...

I don't find that to be a moral equivalence, I would kill the convicted paedophile, even if I knew the child was hitler. Because both lives should be considered and it may be a kindness to kill the paedophile. What would your answer be, if you knew the innocent child is Hitler? Because: And you can never know, before the torture, which is applicable; Killing the next person is essentially the same.

We've gone over the number's and they're roughly the same as killing the next person you see, would result in a desired outcome. Are you saying that persecution/oppression doesn't create freedom fighter's or that torture isn't persecution/oppression? Like I said, your credulity isn't an argument...

No, the only argument you've made, in either thread, is from your own credulity, which when challenged with a reasonable argument/question you simply repeat, just a little bit angrier; that's why the cartoon is so appropriate. I'm also not declaring any victory, and to even raise that shows the depths you need to sink to. Or are you now attempting to play the victim card? All I'm declaring is that your life philsophy was unworkable in the justice/punishment thread, and your absolute opinion re torture in this thread, (based on that same unworkable philsophy) is certainly not absolute in certain undesirable scenarios, as far as any reasonable democratic westernised society would hold. You really need to read my post's, because @Intoscience posted this, I thought you agreed with him... 😉 I hope I'm judged by a "do gooder" that understands this: "A dog starvd at his Masters Gate Predicts the ruin of the State A Horse misusd upon the Road Calls to Heaven for Human blood Each outcry of the hunted Hare A fibre from the Brain does tear A Skylark wounded in the wing A Cherubim does cease to sing" - William Blake

Please stop referring to my "What is justice" thread and declaring victory, it's dishonest because you used the same argument...

I was going to leave it at a neg rep, but then a few minutes later I was negged, an insight into your idea of justice, I think; tit for tat is the ideal, once we define tit... To contemplate torture is only ever about revenge, much like to contemplate a nuclear response... It's not my problem that you don't understand the crossword...

Let's think of the brakes, first... 😇

Whatever you say... Do you? Or is this another example of probability over possibility?

It depends on, how one define's, serious...

I don't think this is a new problem, it reminds me of my gran chatting over the garden fence, scaled up. Some people are gossiper's and some people are gossipee's; we're social people, we just want friend's. I don't think it distorts reality, it emphasises the problem of gossip.

Why do I need any? Because the statement is to emphasise and to set up the point (he could of killed thousands for all I know, but what I do know is, he didn't 'personally' kill millions), which is 'he persuaded ordinary people like you and me, to kill for him!!! That you seem to think you're immune suggests you're more susceptible, scammer's rely on certainty.