dimreepr

Close your eye's first...

If Putin brushes himself into a corner, he'll just walk all over the floor. While he continues to blame the pool guy...

The problem is, how can we know "when all else has failed"? It's not, the probability of a set of circumstances that resulted in success; it's not, that the OP's thought experiment, will never happen... It's how can we know when it will happen? If you can answer that question, then torture can be the morally justified answer...

lol 😂 +1

I'm not saying violence is never the answer, I'm saying if only one blow has been landed, it's hard to argue that punching him back is not revenge, ask him why first. I realise we are talking about 4 year old's, but that's when we learn the quickest; therefore that's the best time to teach them how to be both safe (like I said I was an angry young man, if he hit me back??? very dangerous) and better able to de-escalate a violent situation. But just incase, learn jeet kune do: Then you'll make the bugger's eyes water... 😪 The question remains, how do you know when all else has failed?

Are you schizophrenic? Or are you like me, stoned in the middle of a welsh field...

Why do you?

I don't care...

How do you know which is witch?

There's nothing wrong in standing up for/defending yourself, but it was your instinct/bias talking, not your reason; for instance, I was a very angry young man from a broken home and I once put a kid in hospital, because he was calling me woody woodpecker (my sir name is wood); that's what convince me that violence is less than an answer. Sure it may have worked well for your son, but that just reinforced your bias; meeting force with force just creates a bully, when the motive is revenge... The problem is, in your scenario, to be 100% certain you, personally, would have to witness the crime (even then there's wiggle room as I've explained), which logically mean's only you can administer the torture in certainty of the facts. And given the, natural, uncertainty of how we see the world, to persuade someone else to do ones dirty work, makes one no better than Hitler...

The second coming of Donald Trump, is like the second coming of Jesus... We all knew he'd be back... History has taught us that much...

The only difference between me and my gramps is, I wasn't in the firing line when I decided to conscientiously object to hurting people. Admit what, that witches are real? Now who's being obtuse. No, just another question you haven't answered; is that normal for folks on this site? You seem to think Hitler, as a baby is not evil and could be steered down a path of peace. I agree, so my sympathy is with baby people... 😉 Even you could be taught to be less judgmental, if you were taught by Jesuit's, according to Jesuit's...

If you have only one teacher, your thrall is with me...

I can't say that I've noticed a difference, I still don't walk into oncoming traffic...

I know you and @beecee, think I'm some sort of snowflake and not man enough to take a stand or make hard decisions; I just hope I'm the same sort of snowflake as my gramps, enlisted aged 14 for the 1st world war, fought for 2 year's and then became a conscientious objector in the full knowledge of the consequences. It's easy to follow the crowd, when someone shouts witch. Now please explain, how you know when "all else has failed"? That may sound philosophically smart to you, but it sounds down right practically dumb to me, and your usual obtuseness path in avoiding the answers when those answers conflict with your pretentious life philsophy. Sound's like a question to me, the question marks are a clue; hope that's not too cryptic for you... 😉

I tend to my own soul, by trying to teach other's what it's like to need a cain... No, they're always scared... Why would my sleep be disturbed? I can't know the answer...

What is an indigenous Ukrainian?

Sounds like justice to me... But Beecee want's revenge, so he'll never be at peace. 😉

How do you know when all else has failed? What metric are you using and what's the threshold? "One often meets his destiny on the road he chose to avoid it" - Jean de La Fontaine. Some people go through life, thinking they will never need a cain, so their happy to kick the cain away; when they do need one, they'll find mrs Karma flipping the bird... 😉

not really... Are you sure???

I only know, it tolls for me...

That's when real bravery kicks in...

No, I said it might be a kindness, after consideration. And that would be a kindness, even if the paedophile is free to commit again? Can't you see, that my question is just as impossible to know as the premis your basing your argument on? He was also brought up in a society that thinks it's acceptable to gerrymander and defend police brutality; forgive me for thinking, he may have a bias...

I don't find that to be a moral equivalence, I would kill the convicted paedophile, even if I knew the child was hitler. Because both lives should be considered and it may be a kindness to kill the paedophile. What would your answer be, if you knew the innocent child is Hitler? Because: And you can never know, before the torture, which is applicable; Killing the next person is essentially the same.