dimreepr

Plagiarism isn't the same as cheating; cheating is buying an essay, plagiarism is using history to elaborate...

Being an scientist, you should say 'thank god for rational thought'...

I don't see why, it didn't prevent their ancestors from becoming us... 😉 How can you tell; did they wag their tale?

You'll be telling me that mice can't achieve space travel next. If that's not evidence...

Is a cheat not capable of understanding??? Or is it better to assume...

I only mentioned octopuses as an example of an intelligent alien species, that communicates differently to us and perceives differently to us, to demonstrate the difficulties of first contact. I very much doubt that Moon has had a meaningful conversation with them, even after all that study. I could have mentioned crow's, do you speak Crow, or are there any facts out there that says it's impossible for a crow to fly to the star's? Besides, dolphin's used to run around on land who knew they'd grow fin's... Perhaps if we were a little more humble, we'd learn how to live on this world, instead of dreaming of a better one; colonialism die's hard in the west...

Perhaps, but I'm not going to clame credit because I'm clearly not an exceptional teacher... Most student's just want an easy way to understand; a good teacher provides that, even if they copy it word for word...

Believe it or not, your not telling me anything I don't already know; I have google too... 😉 You seem to make a habbit of missing the point; I wonder what advantage a six legged mutant octopus would have, if only we hadn't eaten it (I'll leave you to google that, I can't be arsed). another strawman. 😏🥱 Sad. How is that a strawman? I haven't said you've said anything and your condescension is reasonable grounds to assume... No, but...

because I understand more...

The teacher shows a way to learn, the student may take some time to understand; why is 12 or 20 a waste?

No. I used octopuses, primarily, because you recognised their intelligence and I thought that similarity might overcome your assumption of authority; humanity is just part of, not more than (read my signature)...

A meteorologist can predict tomorrow's weather extremely accurately and next week's weather quite accurately and next year's weather not very accurately and next decade, not at all; and that's just part of the equation for evolution to predict the next branch of the tree, for an octopus. Please try to ignore the fact that it's me that posted this, and just read what's written.

The reason I'd love to play you at poker is, you wouldn't believe any bet I'd make/say because it's me making/saying it, no matter how often I win the pot. Your letting your bias/prejudice/excuses cloud your reason. However perfect you think our understanding of evolution is, it can predict the future in much the same way as a meteorologist can't (beyond next month). If I chose to write it, £-&+4 how could you tell?

When we understand the difference... 😉

Evolution is a fact, that I accept; what it's capable of is unknown and "that's a fact"... 😉 And that's humans with the same number of digit's thinking differently about the same thing; imagine how different octopus maths would work, 8 arm's time's a hundred individually manipulable sucker's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

Our understanding of evolution, so far, is because we already have the data and an excellent hypothesis that explains the it. The problem with extrapolating the hypothesis into the future is, we don't/can't have all the data... Not offended, just curious as to how? If the alien has a different understanding of mathematics and/or can't see the illustrations, perhaps you can explain how it's 'scientific' rather than just a best guess...

You certainly have jumped through hoops in a vane effort to make us understand; Douglas Adams was right, you're a Dolphin that's about to leave the planet.

Exactly 🤣 +1

That assumes the current evolutionary pressure's will continue on it's current path without change. An unforeseeable change in that path renders that speculation null; for instance a change in the oceans, force's octopuses on to the land and a new path to evolve on. The six legged banana flavoured kind.

Indeed, get back to me when you've figured it out...

But would we? Which is the point of the thread.

10:1 thanks. You're just not getting it, or are you refusing to get it (I'd love to play you at poker); your view of the potential of octopuses is coloured by your view as explained by sir David on the BBC. The octopus/rabbit/tomato is not limited by your view of them, now... Why is that a barrier to evolution? You use silly a lot now; since "it is a silly thing"... 😉

If I could explain it too you, I'd have a career... 😉

That might be true, but the philosophy is absolute (don't eat honey); hence my question...