dimreepr

Lol, you're, killing in the name of...

Because we can is why we climb a mountain, because it's science is why we expect an answer... 😉 Ok, I'll be critcal; if it's possible, then given enough time, it'll probably happen.

Did you clean it with domestos?

Indeed, even the man made "supernatural" (god et al) tries to bring us back to earth; most extinctions are happening because life has cornered the market, but the market will recover... 😉 I know, I can't be repeated...

It's not a code it's an instruction, that's how the enigma was de-coded... “This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.” ― Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubtma was de-coded...

If we all agree to stop feeding them, they will either evovle, to eat something else, or die out... 😉

But I was in the middle of an epic wank!!!

The thing is, I don't think I can... How can I describe the beauty of waking up?

The one who let's me live a bit longer...

Which one is more beautiful?

If we took the data set of life when it first emerged, it would be impossible to predict it would evolve into a bipedal, oxygen breathing entity that could escape the planet; one data set does not a theory make. Let's not forget the topic title, and think about the possibility that an alien world would evovle differently. How often do engineers refer to nature to improve their machines? An F1 car has evolved to rely less and less on smelting metals and they still aren't the fastest on the planet...

My bad, sorry... It takes a while to switch between hypothetical's.

Yes, Ignore it...

So do people, but what ruler can guarantee justice for the average person? For me he mostly said "stop worrying about thing's you can't control." But if you were a contempory and understood what he said, then I will stop and obey you, but what will we tell the children? I've always thought that John the Baptist taught Jesus, but Jesus had better PR skills...

That's the point of my other, evidence based speculation; you can't possibly know how this planet will evolve, much less an alien world. In your speculation it is assumed that advanced civilisations catagory has a limited membership, based on one data set; that's not reasonable speculation, that's belief in how special we are.

You're conflating speculation with evidence, however reputable the source, it is only a best guess based on us and our computer's (which won't have the same protocols as an alien computer). The actual evidence here on earth is, we have yet to have meaningful communications with any other animal, so it's reasonable for me too similarly speculate, admittedly more pessimistically, but then this is a discussion site.

https://www.newswise.com/articles/difficulties-in-communicating-with-aliens

The problem only really exists because we chose to write it down, it just creates the vultures who pick over the carcass of meaning; an oral education is much more meaningfull, because the transaction of information takes place in the current culture. What is the cental concept? I'm with you, there is no god; but why do you suppose, we needed to invent one? You're missing the point, every one knows what he wrote, but only a few contemporaries understood what he said...

To your mind, which thought is fanciful? The fact that we can't predict next year's weather, with any accuracy. The fact that a change in the initial conditions requires a new prediction. Or the fact that predicting evolution is similarly constrained.

well someone, literally started the legend...

The problem with that aproach, in this case, is like meteorology, the further you get from the initial conditions the less accurate the forcast; it's only the time-frame that's different, 1,000 generations = a day's weather = very accurate, 10,000 generations = a week = reasonably accurate, 100,000 generations = a month = not very accurate, 1,000,000 = a year = no accuracy. I mean I base my conclusion's on the evidence of this, and many other pages of our interactions. I'm not pretending to be a scientist or a philosopher; just saying what I see... You reject all reasonable/difficult question's by refusing to answer them, you counter reasonable arguments with gainsay, or any available fallacy, just to be right; and you claim it's me that's pretending... I don't deny the potential of a rudimentary understanding between alien's, especially if they are just like us; what I deny is, communication will be easy. Show me an example of Dr Dolittle and I'll show you an example of spiderman... 😉

And no player is a saint...

Why does it matter? If we accept the argument that someone knew better, why does he have to exist?

Indeed... The problem with science in answering this type of question is, it has all of history to learn from and just a few seconds to extrapolate into the future. Indeed, how would we communicate with them? I know I have many short coming's, but I am a human and not a saint; like you... 🙄

Hmm, where to start... I've never said I was the first to bring up octopuses (yet another example of you not actually reading my post), I said I mentioned them as an example of the difficulty in communicating with an alien species, but instead of addressing that point you drag us down this off topic pointless tangent; while simultaneously demonstrating my point, we're both human and speak the same language and even we can't have a meaningful conversation. Just because the conditions on earth now, seemingly won't allow a space fairing alien with a tomatoe/octopus as an ancestor, doesn't mean it's impossible on a different planet with the right conditions (like I said every generation is a new hand and every planet is a different game); correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the point of this topic/thought experiment? The rest of the vitriolic diatribe, is yet another example of your condescending nature; all I ask is you actually read my post's and think about it, rather than just seeking an excuse that makes you right; and no, I'm not saying I am.