dimreepr

Just peace, I really don't care where you find it...

Define plastic. Is it a material or an attitude?

You will... “There is no way to peace, peace is the way” - Gandhi

In this case the soul is you, not something magical, if you kill a man the chances are you'll suffer PTSD; like a train driver that runs over a suicide and can never work again, despite the fact that he was not at fault and the victim wanted death, the damage is done. A friend of mine was killed by a train, it was an accident while he was green-laneing (something he loved), I don't fear for his soul...

I never said there was, it's like nirvana, it's nowhere/noplace, but you'll know it when you find it. What's the harm of looking for a better way to find it?

Indeed, that's what the police are supposed to be for and when society is protected by remanding them in prison untill we've unpicked the complications, in a court of law (edit, sorry that sentence got away from me); That's why we use 12 ordinary people, guided by a professional judge, to be shown the pro's and con's of the case by other dispassionate professional's, all in a quest to be seen to be fair. But I'm with Socrates on this, true justice cannot come from ordinary people who aren't qualified. Less likely if the liar detectors are built/trained properly.

What if he knew she was 14? My point is, however obvious it might seem we are simply not qualified to make the judgement, because we're almost never in reciept of all the 'facts' especially when the story is related through a biased narrative.

Let me paint you a different picture: A 14 yo girl has a crush on a middlle aged man, she makes herself up to look like an 18 yo and wrangles her way into a party he's at. She waited for him to be drunk enough to be judgementally impaired, then seduces him. They have sex, she's happy he's happy. Then he wakes up the next day, realises his mistake and tries to distance himself from her. Which pisses her off so she reports him for rape (which he technically did since she's underage) and he's sent to prison. Who's the victim and who's the perp?

The only thing about reality is, it's profoundly resistant to a definition.

I can't be bothered to look for my answer to it, but my answer now is, I couldn't agree more, the only caveate is your use of the word particularly, with that you're implying that it's obvious who the victim is, maybe it is in black and white world ruled by emotion. But as you say, neither of us are qualified to judge. Thank you for your contribution.

This was meant to be a discussion, not a study in gainsay; please contribute to the discussion.

He's behind you... Oh no I didn't... Thank you for turning my thread into a pantomime, just an observation. 🙄

When all the frogs are women...

Indeed, but the cold hard fact is, we can only live today; whatever prism we choose for tomorrow.

Geez you're hard work, you pat yourself on the back for being lucky enough to be born healthy and privileged, while putting your foot on the necks of those who aren't. Then you cling on to any excuse that justify's your position, at least be honest with yourself and ask; why do I always have to be right?

But I can't know a bat, if I'm not a bat and I can't know a criminal if I'm not a criminal; all I can do is, imagine what would make me happy...

We have too anthropomorphise in order to glimpse the life of others.

You pointing out a mistake I've admitted too as an example of me being obtuse, is obtuse. I'm done here, feel free to have the last word... 😉

Not when you're drunk. 😉 I'm not ignoring your position, I'm trying to explain why you're not qualified to decide, who is ill and who is 'evil'. Your position is very clear, you want an excuse to seek revenge on the son's of satan. Mine is also very clear, I want a reason before I condemn anyone. Before you just repost your 'evidence', yes that's a reason, since he'd been given his chance. Indeed, everyone is free to achieve that provided they're given the chance.

Now we have to define intelligence and how it relates to life? Does a crow think about that?

If it's not been done to you, how do you know you're free?

Not by you. Now who's being obtuse, life has survived without science and then life became human and now human threatens life; I hope science can save us... 🤞 “We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” ― Kurt Vonnegut

Some people are locked up for a lifetime, because of their crimes; they were judged, by a professional within the confines of their judicial system, to be to ill to be cured. Everyone else deserves a 2nd chance, despite your incredulity. You once said you're not a scientist, are you instead a judge? If not, how are you qualified to judge the validity of a criminologist's take on the subject, ie. the video I posted, which you summarily dismissed as unrealistic.

Sorry my bad, just read the OP instead of just the topic title...

I mean you're not even willing to listen to anything that doesn't conform to your world view, that may as well be religious. Like I said, I'm using science to explore a possible explanation for the 'myths' you're so quick to dismiss without a thought. I never said you did and I didn't say that. People do live without science and people of the stone age didn't stagnate.