dimreepr

Fair point, a judge should be the arbiter that tells society how much to forgive, based on the facts of the case not an emotional need for revenge. Indeed, Jesus said some profound things that's why I quoted him. Holding up an example of a monster that's done monsterous thing's, is not an excuse/reason to throw stone's at an adulterer. 😉 It doesn't work, as evinced in many studies. Can I use this, in my lecture on gainsay?

indeed, but who is more qualified?

You didn't do it, is not a reason to throw; it's an excuse...

If some crimes are unforgiveable, who is to judge which crimes?

Well the fact is, he knew she was underage, he lied about that part. Luckily, your credulity isn't the only measure of an idea's merits. Strangely I do, it's actually quite satisfying when other's are reduced too gainsay and ridicule when they run out of reasonable replies... 😉 By trying to teach other's that justice is an expression of forgiveness and we all deserve to be forgiven at least once, even Frankensteins monster hoped for it. “There is no 'way to peace,' there is only 'peace.” ― Mahatma Gandhi No apology necessary, it's not off topic...

So you say...

Aren't individual's part of society?

Does it? what level of peace justifies your level of violence?

Dear Doctor, do I feel better?

Don't be so foolish, they just want to be sexy...

Just peace, I really don't care where you find it...

Define plastic. Is it a material or an attitude?

You will... “There is no way to peace, peace is the way” - Gandhi

In this case the soul is you, not something magical, if you kill a man the chances are you'll suffer PTSD; like a train driver that runs over a suicide and can never work again, despite the fact that he was not at fault and the victim wanted death, the damage is done. A friend of mine was killed by a train, it was an accident while he was green-laneing (something he loved), I don't fear for his soul...

I never said there was, it's like nirvana, it's nowhere/noplace, but you'll know it when you find it. What's the harm of looking for a better way to find it?

Indeed, that's what the police are supposed to be for and when society is protected by remanding them in prison untill we've unpicked the complications, in a court of law (edit, sorry that sentence got away from me); That's why we use 12 ordinary people, guided by a professional judge, to be shown the pro's and con's of the case by other dispassionate professional's, all in a quest to be seen to be fair. But I'm with Socrates on this, true justice cannot come from ordinary people who aren't qualified. Less likely if the liar detectors are built/trained properly.

What if he knew she was 14? My point is, however obvious it might seem we are simply not qualified to make the judgement, because we're almost never in reciept of all the 'facts' especially when the story is related through a biased narrative.

Let me paint you a different picture: A 14 yo girl has a crush on a middlle aged man, she makes herself up to look like an 18 yo and wrangles her way into a party he's at. She waited for him to be drunk enough to be judgementally impaired, then seduces him. They have sex, she's happy he's happy. Then he wakes up the next day, realises his mistake and tries to distance himself from her. Which pisses her off so she reports him for rape (which he technically did since she's underage) and he's sent to prison. Who's the victim and who's the perp?

The only thing about reality is, it's profoundly resistant to a definition.

I can't be bothered to look for my answer to it, but my answer now is, I couldn't agree more, the only caveate is your use of the word particularly, with that you're implying that it's obvious who the victim is, maybe it is in black and white world ruled by emotion. But as you say, neither of us are qualified to judge. Thank you for your contribution.

This was meant to be a discussion, not a study in gainsay; please contribute to the discussion.

He's behind you... Oh no I didn't... Thank you for turning my thread into a pantomime, just an observation. 🙄

When all the frogs are women...

Indeed, but the cold hard fact is, we can only live today; whatever prism we choose for tomorrow.