dimreepr

Maybe, they were two people that had the same idea; idea's are immortal, not people...

It must be very comforting too be absolutely certain, of what you believe... 😇🙏 This isn't a playground "I know you are, but what am I"; I'm not demanding anything, I'm asking a question that's fundamental to the topic. If you don't want to answer that's fine, discussion over, but this is a discussion on a science site, IOW you present your evidence and we question it; if you fail to present your evidence or a logically sound argument that's not fine, because we then get 20 + page's of dodgem's and gainsay. And with that and your inevitable failure to answer the question, yet again, I'm done... Feel free to have the last word (shame it won't be an answer).

Provided they acted the way you want???

How can we be honest in a conviction we've never experienced?

Nonsense to the first statement, as I have shown and explained to you already. The second statement is another grand dimmy strawman. We are not talking about any judicial system. We are speaking about a kidnapper who we know with absolute certainty, and beyond all reasonable doubt was compliant in kidnapping a child, and/or the capture of a terrorist that has hidden an explosive device somewhere. As much as your logical contortions amuse me, you really need to answer the question (honestly), it's fundamental to your position/argument. Again, from your link...

It's hard to see how Putin will win this game... If he wins the war, he looses credibility; it's like being put into palliative care, for a cold...

This from your link, I get the feeling you've only read the title.

I think all religions touch on the idea of karma, do bad thing's and you'll damage your soul and if you damage your soul you'll regret it, if not in this life then in the next; God doesn't have to be a good guy, he just has to punish the guilty. If you believe in karma (and I think it's real), it's much easier to forgive "the bad man" because I know he will suffer, even if I can't see it; that's my revenge...

Already comprehensively addressed, despite your pretentious objections. No, it hasn't!!! Time to put up or shut up, if it's already been comprehensively addressed, it shouldn't be difficult to actually answer the question. If the court's operated under the edict 'beyond all doubt' instead of 'beyond reasonable doubt', they wouldn't be able to convict anyone. Time to stop pretending you know better than the judiciary/everyone.

Now that it's no longer a game and Putin's gone all in, his mental state is irrelevant...

How do you know who the innocents are? How can you be 100% certain of guilt, without a trial (which has been wrong) if you don't directly witness the crime? The answer to which can't be "I've already told you or isn't it obvious?". If you can't be sure of the criminal, then the world isn't so black and white, and Hollywood isn't a philosophy... 😉 Give them a sandwhich and a cup of tea, rather than electrodes and waterboarding. It may seem counterintuitive to you, but then so much of science and reality is... Now do you understand the parrelels?

Putin might be a mad man, but his rings grow at the same rate...

Because the ONLY way you can be 100% certain of guilt is, if you witnessed the crime; otherwise it's a trial of uncertainty... And some people tell lies...

Even if you're a bacteria you can choose which direction...

Not my problem that you can't see the parallels... 😉 It is for him...

I'm pretty far from OK...

Mr Bush was just an aperitif... He was subject to satire, not a source of it... 😉

All we know for sure is, Putin's gone full on Trump and we're in for a bumpy ride...

It depends on why you think it's a strawman...

Only you catching them in the act can determine 100% guilt without trial, and given the time limit set by the OP, it has to be you that administers the torture (you're not trained and if you get someone else to do it, how do they know your not lying?), and given the OP, torture would be unnecessary since you'd have also secured the child/bomb. Point's 2 and 3 are therefore irrelevant.

The answer remains, we can't predict when that 0.01% will be effective, it's like saying "if we torture everyone, then one day I'll be right, and when that day arrives it will be right to torture that person". FFS take a day off, having a point of view that you don't agree with, is not being obtuse!!! especially since you brought up the American "war on terrorism". Which is like declaring war on your own imagination and torturing yourself...

It's never well explained, or everyone would get it...

So, it doesn't make them happy, just glad to be rid of the memory's...

Well, we all seem to agree that torture is wrong; and I'm quite happy that I haven't tortured anybody. I can't know how I'd feel if I had, but I bet I'm not going to be happy about it.

What's possitive about torture? I'm only dismissing the possibilty that you can know the consequences, of your action's; what I think is, if you do the wrong thing, you'll probably regret it... There's no reason to use torture, just a list of excuses...