dimreepr

Off topic, please stop. Your example entirely misses the point, life isn't Hollywood, 99% of people who get attacked don't get the satisfaction of seeing karma in action; they have to use their imagination.

Why is alcohol legal? Because the poor can make it anyway, and the rich has figured out how to make money out of it, despite poverty; much like gambling

Another thing you attack without understanding; karma isn't a thing it's a way of thinking, like science (causality for people), a way to understand our world and our place in it; and like science it's a way to drill down through our prejudice and bias and hate and love, to see where "squateth the toad of truth" - Sheldon Cooper. Science can't measure the infection rate. I can try, but I'm not sure you even want to understand. karma-sadhguru-quotes.avif

Indeed, which is why you spend most of your energy off topic answering question's asked 3 or 4 thread's ago; are you trolling me? So, you attempt to belittle me because I don't seeem to agree with you; karma, for instance is scientific, in that an action has unseen consequences even in a deterministic universe. But not the individuals action. Do you have evidence that Karma doesn't work? Let me answer for you, at best karma is a soft science and therefore not worthy of consideration, only science has answer's, if not today then tomorrow; the God of the gaps argument in reverse...

The irony seems to be that most of the unwanted will fund the prison business.

That would be a good question, if asked of you. You still don't get it; it doesn't matter that death is the end, what matters is how one lives; BTW how do you, or science, know that death is final? The universe tends to re-use the dead... What's totally irrational is an excuse made to appear like a reason...

I agree completely, but it's one thing to be happy with what you believe, it's another to belittle them because you don't share that belief. There's a difference between a reason and an excuse. You've got it backwards (no wonder you don't understand the word's), the bible is there to allay the fears of life, if a bad man does you harm God is there to punish him (no need for revenge), if you don't do other's harm God is there, at your death, to congratulate you with a prize. Given that, how is it rational to interpret the bible in a way to support their terror?

Like I said written by people not God: so now, instead of god, you choose the fact that you didn't know them, to irrationally dismiss the word's, your wife (and millions of others) seems to understand and is happy to live by. Indeed and usually, like here, it's off topic and irrelevant. Excellent point +1 It doesn't matter what one believes, if one has a rational reason to do so.

We know all the Bible's were written by people, all of which describe a different type of God/essence/way of life; it's rather silly to assume the author's were inspired by anything other than the thoughts of man. It would be irrational to discount the thoughts of our elders anyway, let alone by invoking a God in order to do so; let's not forget, we all stand on the shoulders of giant's; Newton is just easier to understand, despite his belief in alchemy.

Neither do I, but I could be wrong...

Indeed, utopia, for instance, means no place and a place we want to achieve...

Science doesn't try, it's a question for philosophy. We know all the Bible's were written by people, all of which describe a different type of God/essence/way of life; it's rather silly to assume the author's were inspired by anything other than the thoughts of man. So essentially the limits of God are the limits we decide it has.

It seems to me to be a method to attack a sentence/idea I don't agree with; a good legal document is free of ambiguity but not free of disagreement.

You should explian to the Dutch the futility of their approach. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-05-13/the-netherlands-is-closing-its-prisons That's not a claim I've made about any society, in any thread, nor have I claimed that 'a form' of incarceration (to protect society and themselves) is unnecessary, in any thread, ever; my only claim is, the vast (by which I mean vastly vast) majority of prisoner's in our civilised western society, is due to our governments (and by extention us) view of what civilised means.

Indeed, if we pay more attention to their culture, we might start to understand their reason's for choosing the devil they know...

When the game demands I cut off my ball's in order to win, it's no longer a game.

Define fair; for instance, is it fair that England's women's rugby team wins because they're paid to train harder than Scotland's women?

Is that your attempt to dismantle Kipling's poem, line by line? (very grown up)... To you maybe, but then you're not of that culture, so how do you know what they mean by the word criminal? If they had no jails, they had no prisoners ergo no criminal's, just banished people i.e. no bad Indian's, in their society. We have thieves because we have poverty and we have jail's because we have thieves. As you said in your Anzac thread "Lest we forget"... If a culture makes a business out of prisons, they'll need an excuse to populate them.

"God of our fathers, known of old, Lord of our far-flung battle line, Beneath whose awful hand we hold Dominion over palm and pine — Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget—lest we forget! The tumult and the shouting dies; The Captains and the Kings depart: Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice, An humble and a contrite heart. Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget—lest we forget! Far-called, our navies melt away; On dune and headland sinks the fire: Lo, all our pomp of yesterday Is one with Nineveh and Tyre! Judge of the Nations, spare us yet, Lest we forget—lest we forget! If, drunk with sight of power, we loose Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe, Such boastings as the Gentiles use, Or lesser breeds without the Law— Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget—lest we forget! For heathen heart that puts her trust In reeking tube and iron shard, All valiant dust that builds on dust, And, guarding, calls not Thee to guard; For frantic boast and foolish word— Thy Mercy on Thy People, Lord!" - Rudyard Kipling Where does it say that? In your own country, a bad aboriginal would've been banished from the tribe.

At some point, children go from why to how...

Occum's razor doesn't provide an answer, it just provides a tipping point; why does the water run this way???

The fundamental question is, why me? The fundamental answer is, why not?