deema78 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Why do folks not get that logic and illogic are the literal two binding principles of our universe? Our universe was FOUNDED on logic an illogic. Big bang "A". What happened after in the physical we could say "B". What happened in the quantum we could say "the rest of alphabet all at once" Point is, it is all those two principles after the bang. It doesn't matter how you want to use math to explain it. There was an "A" and a "B". Logic and illogic are the only two things in existence that are part of the actual bang, itself. Because the bang is "A". Math didnt come until after Math is not real. It is an art form created to explain something -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 55 minutes ago, deema78 said: Why do folks not get that logic and illogic are the literal two binding principles of our universe? You need to define how you're using "logic". Logic in philosophy is different from that used in maths, and none of that looks anything like what most people think of as "logic". Pop-sci articles make it seem like "logic" means "this makes the most sense to me", and that's definitely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deema78 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 To a certain extent I accept that some of physics is real. The problem with physics, of course is that it only applies to the physical. What is math? Numbers? What are numbers? Made up bs. If math was REAL, it would be able to explain things. You would say "it takes time". No, dude. Nothing takes time -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genady Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, deema78 said: Why do folks not get that logic and illogic are the literal two binding principles of our universe? Our universe was FOUNDED on logic an illogic. Big bang "A". What happened after in the physical we could say "B". What happened in the quantum we could say "the rest of alphabet all at once" Point is, it is all those two principles after the bang. It doesn't matter how you want to use math to explain it. There was an "A" and a "B". Logic and illogic are the only two things in existence that are part of the actual bang, itself. Because the bang is "A". Math didnt come until after Math is not real. It is an art form created to explain something There are infinitely many prime numbers if a bang happened or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genady Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Math is not real. It is above that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, deema78 said: Logic and illogic are the only two things in existence that are part of the actual bang, itself. How is the universe "illogical"? With behavior governed by chemistry and physics, how does a principle of reasoning, which requires an intelligence, fit into the overall structure of the universe? Does your explanation only become relevant after human life on Earth happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Define "real" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapatos Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 hours ago, deema78 said: To a certain extent I accept that some of physics is real. The problem with physics, of course is that it only applies to the physical. What is math? Numbers? What are numbers? Made up bs. If math was REAL, it would be able to explain things. You would say "it takes time". No, dude. Nothing takes time I suspect that rather than a debate, you are looking to holler at people until they've had enough, at which point you can claim victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 ! Moderator Note Similar topics merged 4 hours ago, deema78 said: Math is not real. It is an art form created to explain something Quote If math was REAL, it would be able to explain things You seem to contradict yourself here. Does it explain things, or not? Does math explain what the area of a circle or rectangle is? Yes, I think it does. And I second iNow’s request to clarify what you mean by real. Math certainly exists. All those classes, books and chalk dust I experienced were not illusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endy0816 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Math is not only real, it is also irrational. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzkpfw Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Real, schmeal, I prefer purity: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Another postmodernist outcry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 1) math is abstract 2) In experimental physics, a scientist makes an observation of a physical system, assigns some initial state to it, waits a while (measures time), and then repeats the measurement. After a longer or shorter period of time, a database of results is created, which are analyzed and a mathematical function is created to "simulate", "predict" the result if the next time we find ourselves in the same or similar environment as during the experiment. The math is used to interpolate and extrapolate the data (i.e. fill in the gaps and make useful predictions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exchemist Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 On 7/10/2023 at 2:08 PM, deema78 said: Why do folks not get that logic and illogic are the literal two binding principles of our universe? Our universe was FOUNDED on logic an illogic. Big bang "A". What happened after in the physical we could say "B". What happened in the quantum we could say "the rest of alphabet all at once" Point is, it is all those two principles after the bang. It doesn't matter how you want to use math to explain it. There was an "A" and a "B". Logic and illogic are the only two things in existence that are part of the actual bang, itself. Because the bang is "A". Math didnt come until after Math is not real. It is an art form created to explain something Is this a problem of terminology, perhaps? Mathematics is abstract, but I’m not sure it helps to question whether abstract concepts are “real” or not. Many, possibly most, of the concepts we use in thinking and communicating are abstract in some sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 23 hours ago, deema78 said: To a certain extent I accept that some of physics is real. The problem with physics, of course is that it only applies to the physical. What is math? Numbers? What are numbers? Made up bs. If math was REAL, it would be able to explain things. Are you going to discuss this topic, or just pontificate on it as if we weren't asking you questions? You need to let us know what you mean by "real", because many things have abstract applications but are nonetheless very real. You've made it past the first day five post limit, so feel free to join the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematic Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 'Math is not real. It is an art form created to explain something' How do you define real? Meanwhile 1+1=2 is true, whether or not the universe exists. You need to separate mathematics from application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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