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We know your thoughts on this and I'm pretty sure iNow created this thread to go in another direction. Either contribute in the spirit of the question or butt out.

In grammar school, trans girls should compete with cis girls, and trans boys should compete with cis boys. While I suppose there will be exceptions, this should be the general rule. In secondary school this general rule will continue except at the varsity level. Varsity level is where winning or losing could potentially have a significant impact on a person's life, such as being drafted in some sports, winning scholarships, etc. At the varsity level there should be additional rules such as handicapping, rules regarding level of transition attained, particular sports it applies to, etc. I am purposely not adding detail here because it is not my area of expertise and therefore would not be meaningful. The two general guidelines I am following are: 1. Transgendered students must have reasonable opportunities just as cisgendered students do. 2. Not everyone gets to do everything. Just like Title IX doesn't guarantee women will have the exact same sporting opportunities the men have, it does ensure a reasonable amount/type of opportunities. I am no expert and this is likely not my final thoughts on the matter. It does however seem like a reasonable possibility and a reasonable place to start.

Aww.. My least favorite thread just reproduced. They're so cute and harmless looking when they're young. Pretty soon we'll have a mating pair and the transgender threads will overrun Australia. Maybe, with luck, they eat cane toads or rodents. Seriously, I think the thread title is a self-answering question. Let trans/NB kids play on whichever team is the best fit with their size, strength, and level of aggressive. And there are always some kids who won't fit anywhere in a given sport. I was never going to be a football (American def.) player, and I got over that easily. Children's psyches are not Fabergé egg shells, unless adults tell them they are all the time.

The amendment as written isn't about a civil society, it's about having a militia that can be called up for defense of the country, written in a time when militia members often had their own rifles. At least, up until the Heller decision, which made up a right to own guns for personal protection.

What an utterly absurd and ignorant statement. No logic detected...

They sent both of them ? What will they use for their air shows ? Give it a rest; they are not in series production yet, and may never be.

Good topics for other threads. No matter what way the US system does things, this thread is about what approaches might be best. Correct. Thank you.

Why not pressure your government , federal or state level, that it has no business legislating kid's recreational activities ? Doesn't your Government have better things to do ? Like legislating abortion rights, and gun laws ? In Canada girls can play hockey with boys, if they can make the cut. And many do. Girls are even allowed to join the boy scouts. Why must the US always do things the hard way ?

An alternative view is that he is calling out the myth that guns serve as effective means of self-defense, when in fact guns are mostly used for acts of aggression against oneself (suicide), family (domestic violence), or strangers. Stats bear out the latter view, ergo banning them protects people's right to live. Also "scoring political points" is spin, not argument. Politicians do what their constituents elected them to do, represent their interests. Unless they are bad, in which case they do what their donor base paid them to do and tell the electorate to GFYs.

I don't believe anyone has claimed that they were incorrectly assigned at birth as human, when they are in fact an android and wish to transition to their true mechanical self. No, I don't see a major threat to school sports from cyborgs. If a child with artificial limbs competes successfully, so what? He couldn't have done it without learning the skill and putting in the practice, just like every other competitor. Nobody's going to replace their child's normal feet with robotic ones, just to win at football. Where children play in mixed sports from an early age, they tend to become better team players and more tolerant, understanding people. It's most important in schools to encourage these traits, rather than aggression and winning at all cost. Two ways to encourage the participation of trans kids is to encourage the participation of all kids, without artificial barriers and arbitrary distinctions. If the team is mixed by gender, it can accommodate four genders as readily as tw - and be the better for it as a team. Another approach is to change the sports, rather thn players. As has been pointed out on numerous occasions, we made this stuff up in the first place; we can unmake it, change it, remake it and make new ones any time we like, in any way we like. Why not simply alter the games to make them more inclusive? Not just under 10 years, but all through school, students could benefit from co-operation and inclusion. Maybe fewer of them would grow up reptilian.

These look like high magnification pictures of the same pyrite specimens you showed us earlier. The iridescent colours look to me as if they could be due to interference fringes, caused by diffraction arising from surface irregularities. You might be able to test this by seeing if the colours change as you move the source of illumination, so that the angle of incidence of the the light changes.

Solutions instead of obstacles.

Difficult subject, so lets start with the easiest part: There should be an "Unlimited" class for every sport, in which superior ability is the only thing that matters. For example, in the US, the National Football League should be open to all genders. Same for Baseball, Golf, etc. BUT in the unlimited class there should be no adjustments. For example, the NFL limits the number of players on each team (49 if I recall correctly?) so, regardless of gender a player would have to make the cut by being better than the 50th best. Below the unlimited class I have trouble imagining anything that will seem fair to all involved. A skill/ability division, with its faults, is still probably the best.

So I was looking at the rainfall rates associated with Hurricane Agatha, and I thought "if only we could move that water just a few thousand kilometres further northwest..." So what's stopping society from investing in an artificial mountain range, anchored to any common location shared by multiple hurricane tracks, to force the humidity from the hurricane to condense, with a crevice partway up the mountain to capture the rainwater and relocate it to wherever it is needed? Not that the water would necessarily be clean enough for human consumption, but being desalinized, would it not at least be useful for farming? Would it just be a one-time investment that would eventually pay for itself in desalinization for farming or would there be maintenance costs involved that prevent it from paying for itself even over the long term? More semi-modestly, what about the idea of water pipelines along the North American coast? While I'm aware that hurricanes are of lower air pressure than their surroundings, would the water pressure in particular from a flood in one town along the pipeline force water toward drier towns along the pipeline? Or would that depend on whether or not the hurricane is already out of the vicinity?

Okay Beecee. I can understand your placing your framed photo on your wall...but how did your wife feel about your four guests?

Isn't She/He ultimately responsible for the abortions as well? (Hello, this is JCM's wife: He just got hit by a lightning bolt and won't be posting...oh wait...no...he's getting up...carry on)

All men are stronger than all women? False. Your gross generalizations are getting old.

How long is a piece of string? It's not answerable until an indivdual is measured. This reinforces the point that performance should govern competition class eligibility and not gender per se. A more useful question would be "Do transitioned cis-females gain a performance advantage over their pre-transitioned selves?"

I worked for QANTAS for 15 years, and the passenger's weights are based on a system that is revised over periods of time. A child is estimated at a certain weight, a female at another certain weight and a male at another. The system applied takes into account wide error ranges that fall inside an aircrafts normal take-off weight and also the size of the aircraft. In fact in Australia, in smaller aircraft that sometimes are used to ferry passengers to small country regional areas etc, passengers are weighed along with their carry on baggage. If anyone views this as offensive, tough titty! They can find other ways of travelling. These estimated weights are of course revised periodically.

Garbage.

That's a very good perspective, Serg. The whole world is in danger because of "leaders" like Putin and Orban. Perhaps the whole world would be better off without "leaders" who risk their people this way.

The problem as I see it is that certain individuals, hear that word "discrimination" and automatically, without too much thinking, see evil intent and immediatley rail against it. It could be described as PC gone mad. The facts are that in sport at least, it is justifiable, and important in many sports, particularly as has already been supported, and proved, body contact sports such as both rugby codes of football. The following is as it should be...... "The UK Equality Act makes quite clear that you can exclude on the basis of sex where sex is important for safety." Then we have that rare and difficult aspect with regards to transgenders. For that I'll gladly pass onto the experts, sport executives and medical scientists to fathom and solve.... Sorry Stringy, wrong and misplaced again. I have always said that generally speaking, men are stronger, then women. You are quoting from an article that I gave. ps: And no where in the article did they say "all" Your gross misinterpretations and bias are getting old. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/21/coe-warns-transgender-athletes-pose-risk-to-integrity-of-womens-sport Coe warns transgender athletes pose risk to integrity of women’s sport World Athletics president calls for new rules across all sports Warning comes after Lia Thomas wins NCAA swimming title: Sebastian Coe has claimed that the “integrity and future of women’s sport” is at stake after the American swimmer Lia Thomas became the first transgender woman to win an NCAA swimming championship last week. The World Athletics president also called on the International Olympic Committee to introduce regulations that can be applied across every sport and insisted that “gender cannot trump biology”. Thomas, who swam for the University of Pennsylvania men’s team for three seasons before starting hormone replacement therapy in 2019, made history by winning the 500-yard freestyle in Atlanta but has faced protests since starting to compete as a woman. Asked how important the challenge of transgender women is in athletics, Lord Coe said: “I think that the integrity of women’s sport – if we don’t get this right – and actually the future of women’s sport, is very fragile.” more......................

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110% certainty they should be banned!!!! at least according to existing IOC and other sporting bodies laws.

"Canada’s government is to legislate for a national freeze on handgun ownership that would prevent people buying and selling them anywhere in the country." “The day this legislation goes into effect it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns in Canada,” said the prime minister, Justin Trudeau. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/31/handgun-freeze-in-canada-and-five-round-limit-on-magazines -------- To score political points, Trudeau is removing the right to self defense from practically the entire Canadian population. I guess the logic is if someone is violently attacked and can't defend him/her self it's that person's own responsibility. “Other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives,” Trudeau said. What an utterly absurd and ignorant statement.

But you do have to understand what your teachers wrote, in their bible...

How best to stop excluding trans kids from sports? Good question! Nothing should stop anyone, including transgenders from playing the sport that they wish. As long as of course they do not physically or biologically create an advantage for themselves, and disadvantage anyone else and follow the guide lines of the sporting administrators and scientific and medical advice to that end. The problem exists though, that scientific and medical knowledge is far from certain in this subject. Perhaps do get a clearer picture, we may need to wait a decade or two. Thankfully, though, the aspect of transgenders is relatively rare, and the percentage of those that want to take part in a sport, obviously even rarer. In summing, striking the balance of fairness and not having an advantage in sport, and the rights of the transgender athletes, will not be easy, and pleasing every one, particularly male and female competitors, will be even harder. My thoughts actually go back to the covid 19 hey days, and the screams and whinging from anti vaxxers losing their rights with mandatory vaccinations, against the rights of all other citizens to remain healthy and safe by the best means possible. I see a somewhat parallel there. As was linked to and showed as fact in the other similar thread, boys and girls play both rugby codes together up until the age of 10, where under the existing rules, following medical and scientific advice, they then separate and segregate according to sex under scientific medical advice, particularly in body contact sports. The gender neutral and selection by size and ability claim is a furphy, particularly when obtaining late teens and adulthood, and as explained and reasoned in the other similar thread. Probably the best outcome as far as I can see. Under scientific and medical advice of course, although this as yet has not not fully decided and is somewhat limited.