Artander Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 1.Believe that it's reasonable to believe in a Personal God? 2.Believe that God affects things through Quantum Mechanics? 3.Thoughts on an Afterlife? 4.When the world ends do you think it could come back or would that be the the Day of Judgement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzurain Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 1. To believe in God is the choice of what the person wants to believe, thus, it is reasonable for the person to choose whether to believe in god or not. 2. Yes, and plus.3. Exists.4. Day of judgement, but it could come back up after another round. But here's the thing, Scientific research have yet to prove that all the stated above exists in a concrete manner.Thus, any replies will most likely be faith related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 2.Believe that God affects things through Quantum Mechanics? Why quantum mechanics, specifically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artander Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) Well because quantum mechanics is random. And come back up after another round of what? Edited October 2, 2014 by Artander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 1.Believe that it's reasonable to believe in a Personal God? No 2.Believe that God affects things through Quantum Mechanics? No 3.Thoughts on an Afterlife? No after life 4.When the world ends do you think it could come back or would that be the the Day of Judgement? The world we call Earth will be destroyed when the sun expands into a red giant, that will be billions of years from now. It will not come back. No judgement day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten oz Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) I believe in things that have either been proven to be true or where there is compelling evidence. I have never seen compelling evidence for God or any type of afterlife. Sheer popularity of or desire for a specific concept does not qualify as compelling evidence in my opinion. Edited October 3, 2014 by Ten oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 1. To believe in God is the choice of what the person wants to believe, Really, can you choose what to believe? For example, can you choose to believe that I'm a super-intelligent crow? Do you really think that there's a bird typing this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Really, can you choose what to believe? For example, can you choose to believe that I'm a super-intelligent crow? Do you really think that there's a bird typing this? I would have said seagull... yeah sea gull... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1eep Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) I would have said seagull... yeah sea gull... I agree that you can believe someone is a sea gull! My own input: sometimes you need or would benefit from, disrespecting someone's projected imagination, cause it may harm you. Edited October 3, 2014 by s1eep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 1. To believe in God is the choice of what the person wants to believe, thus, it is reasonable for the person to choose whether to believe in god or not. That's a whopper. The bit after the 'thus' is in no way whatsoever implied by the bit before the 'thus'. This means it's invalid and thus unsound on that alone. Yet, the bit before the 'thus' is false in its own right. That makes it unsound as well. So, it's invalid and based on a falsehood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzurain Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Really, can you choose what to believe? For example, can you choose to believe that I'm a super-intelligent crow? Do you really think that there's a bird typing this? It's always a possibility. Here's an article about crows being intelligent. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2590046/Crows-intelligent-CHILDREN-Study-reveals-birds-intelligence-seven-year-old.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I know they are quite bright as birds go, but that's not the point. Can you choose to believe that I am one? Can you choose to believe that I'm a unicorn? Or is what you believe something that you are stuck with because it follows from your experience and the evidence? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonDie Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) 1.Believe that it's reasonable to believe in a Personal God? 2.Believe that God affects things through Quantum Mechanics? 3.Thoughts on an Afterlife? 4.When the world ends do you think it could come back or would that be the the Day of Judgement? 1. Not reasonable for me given my personal experiences so far, and I infer that it's probably not reasonable for most other people either. 2. No 3. Not actually true, but maybe a good idea regardless. It buffers the effects of death salience in terror management theory. 4. No clue. We have the choice to privately say to ourselves that the propositions are true or false, but that's too superficial to noticeably effect cognition or behavior. Is anxiety rational, or a compulsion that you can't control? Edited October 6, 2014 by MonDie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrick Laursen Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Why believing in "AFTER LIFE" is wiser than not believing. Through the history they've come thousands of prophets, all of them being famous for being honest and truthful including Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Jesus Christus and Mohammad. And all of them have warned us on "Afterlife". So, is it wiser to believe in afterlife or not? 1. Not to believe If we die and nothing happens, then it's neutral. We neither win nor lose so 0 If we die and see there's an afterlife, then we lose (-1) because we haven't prepared ourselves for it. So the addition on this condition is 0+(-1)=-1 2. To belive If we die and nothing happens, then it's neutral. We neither lose nor win so 0. If we die and find an afterlife, then we win(+1) because we have prepared ourselves for it. So the addition on this condition is 0+1=1 Therefore, considering all of the probable conditions, we witness that believing in Afterlife is wiser than not believing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrock Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Why believing in "AFTER LIFE" is wiser than not believing. Through the history they've come thousands of prophets, all of them being famous for being honest and truthful including Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Jesus Christus and Mohammad. And all of them have warned us on "Afterlife". So, is it wiser to believe in afterlife or not? 1. Not to believe If we die and nothing happens, then it's neutral. We neither win nor lose so 0 If we die and see there's an afterlife, then we lose (-1) because we haven't prepared ourselves for it. So the addition on this condition is 0+(-1)=-1 2. To belive If we die and nothing happens, then it's neutral. We neither lose nor win so 0. If we die and find an afterlife, then we win(+1) because we have prepared ourselves for it. So the addition on this condition is 0+1=1 Therefore, considering all of the probable conditions, we witness that believing in Afterlife is wiser than not believing. All that's really needed for a counterargument is the title..... The End of Pascal's Wager: Only Nontheists Go to Heaven at http://infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/heaven.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Why believing in "AFTER LIFE" is wiser than not believing. Through the history they've come thousands of prophets, all of them being famous for being honest and truthful including Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Jesus Christus and Mohammad. And all of them have warned us on "Afterlife". That's odd, since the first three didn't believe in an afterlife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1eep Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) The only sound argument I can think of for afterlife, is completely redefining the concept, to after-my-life thinking-ahead, belief in the children of the future. As for my thoughts on life after death, I have artistic ways I like to imagine it, where we are born on Earth because all humans are part of the same species, and there's no reason a similar consciousness can't be in a different vessel and it's aware in the way that I was, it could be a different person all together, but I have faith we are all related and whole; I will become, him/her/it... I was him/her/it. This isn't really my belief, this is just art I like; if I had my choice, between heaven/hell and nothing at all, I would pick heaven/hell. Plus I can't prove it's not there so there's no use in hating it, it's just not to be discussed seriously. Edited October 7, 2014 by s1eep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harshgoel1975 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 1.Believe that it's reasonable to believe in a Personal God? Yes, My personal God is my Karma.. the effect of good and bad karma keeps me on right doing.... I do not do any shoe polish of any personal GOD beyond 2.Believe that God affects things through Quantum Mechanics? No Necessary , we carry our karma like the positive and negative field... ( technical not very sure how it works) but may be quantum mechanics or an undentified feild could be reason , how our destiny is controlled by our karma. 3.Thoughts on an Afterlife? No comments, met lot of people who saw Ghost, heard lot of stories across all cultures and countries... still looking for hard evidences 4.When the world ends do you think it could come back or would that be the the Day of Judgement? To me , every day is the 'day of judgment' , like a bank , deposit and withdraw, technical it is extension of point 2 , instant and forming every minute, rather then waiting for day ( which need a complex system and much difficult to explain if exists) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrick Laursen Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 harshgoel, I really like your sentence: "Everyday is the 'day of judgment'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonDie Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) All that's really needed for a counterargument is the title..... The End of Pascal's Wager: Only Nontheists Go to Heaven at http://infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/heaven.html So even atheists do it... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2787468/ PW tries to force a conclusion when in fact the rational response is: I need to gather more information before concluding. e.g. > That's odd, since the first three didn't believe in an afterlife. and blocking SFN... NOW! Edited October 8, 2014 by MonDie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarieB Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 1.Believe that it's reasonable to believe in a Personal God? Shouldn't people believe what they want to believe in as long as it does not harm others or themselves? 2.Believe that God affects things through Quantum Mechanics? I don't quite get why God would affect things through Quantum Mechanics. The generally accepted definition of God is a Creator and Supreme Ruler so shouldn't God be able to affect the everything else and not limited to Quantum Mechanics? 3.Thoughts on an Afterlife? After death for me, the only thing that would count is how I lived my life in the present and what I leave behind for the future. In a sense don't key people of our world, for example Alexander the Great, Einstein, Abraham Lincoln, Genghis Khan, etc., in a sense continue to live on through the books as do many notable figures of our world? Personally I don't believe that it is not impossible of such a thing as an afterlife to exist since there are no solid records of people who are LEGALLY DEAD coming back alive and say what it was like to have died. 4.When the world ends do you think it could come back or would that be the the Day of Judgement? No clue. The only thing I know for sure is that our sun will blow up billions years from now except if some accident happens today and all the nuclear arsenal detonates in our world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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