Trump is discussing deporting US citizens: “Get them the hell out”

President Donald Trump this week floated possible deportations for U.S. citizens.

During a visit to Florida on Tuesday, a reporter asked Trump how many detention facilities he would need to carry out his mass deportation policy for undocumented immigrants.

"I'd like to say, you know, a little controversial, but I couldn't care less," Trump replied, veering off topic. "We have a lot of bad criminals that came into the, into this country and they came in stupidly."

"And it did happen, but we also have a lot of bad people that have been here for a long time," he continued. People that whack people over the head with a baseball bat from behind when they're not looking and kill them."

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Again Trump does not understand the law he is breaking by doing this.

Edited July 1Jul 1 by Moon99

3 hours ago, Moon99 said:

Again Trump does not understand the law he is breaking by doing this.

Trump does not appear to care. Those who are appalled by this are generally not surprised, and those who are surprised weren’t paying attention. And maybe a quarter of the country (perhaps even more) is cheering it on.

"Bad criminals". The irony.

1 hour ago, StringJunky said:

"Bad criminals". The irony.

You mean this.

Trump seizes on ‘moral character’ loophole as way to revoke citizenship

A new justice department directive may signal a crackdown on US citizens as part of Trump’s deportation agenda

A justice department memo directing the department’s civil division to target the denaturalization of US citizens around the country has opened up an new avenue for Donald Trump’s mass deportation agenda, experts say.

In the US, when a person is denaturalized, they return to the status they held before becoming a citizen. If someone was previously a permanent resident, for example, they will be classified as such again, which can open the door to deportation efforts.

The memo, published on 11 June, instructed the justice department’s civil division to “prioritize and maximally pursue denaturalization proceedings in all cases permitted by law and supported by the evidence”. Immigration matters are civil matters, meaning that immigrants – whether they are naturalized citizens or not – do not have the right to an attorney in such cases.

Muzaffar Chishti from the Migration Policy Institute, a non-partisan thinktank, explained that much of immigration law was based on discretion by government officials. To revoke a person’s citizenship, US officials must demonstrate that they are not of “good moral character” – a subjective and broad term with little defined parameters.

Now, the recent memo lists a broad range of categories of people who should be stripped of their naturalized citizenship status, providing further guidance as to who is not of good “moral character”. This included “those with a nexus to terrorism” and espionage, war criminals and those who were found to have lied in their naturalization process. Officials still need to prove their case, Chisthi explained.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/01/us-citizenship-denaturalization-trump-memo

1 minute ago, Moon99 said:

You mean this.

Trump seizes on ‘moral character’ loophole as way to revoke citizenship

A new justice department directive may signal a crackdown on US citizens as part of Trump’s deportation agenda

A justice department memo directing the department’s civil division to target the denaturalization of US citizens around the country has opened up an new avenue for Donald Trump’s mass deportation agenda, experts say.

In the US, when a person is denaturalized, they return to the status they held before becoming a citizen. If someone was previously a permanent resident, for example, they will be classified as such again, which can open the door to deportation efforts.

The memo, published on 11 June, instructed the justice department’s civil division to “prioritize and maximally pursue denaturalization proceedings in all cases permitted by law and supported by the evidence”. Immigration matters are civil matters, meaning that immigrants – whether they are naturalized citizens or not – do not have the right to an attorney in such cases.

Muzaffar Chishti from the Migration Policy Institute, a non-partisan thinktank, explained that much of immigration law was based on discretion by government officials. To revoke a person’s citizenship, US officials must demonstrate that they are not of “good moral character” – a subjective and broad term with little defined parameters.

Now, the recent memo lists a broad range of categories of people who should be stripped of their naturalized citizenship status, providing further guidance as to who is not of good “moral character”. This included “those with a nexus to terrorism” and espionage, war criminals and those who were found to have lied in their naturalization process. Officials still need to prove their case, Chisthi explained.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/01/us-citizenship-denaturalization-trump-memo

I meant Trump is one.

49 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

I meant Trump is one.

I got that right away. Ignorant lying felon who got his followers to storm the US Capitol trying desperately to redefine what "bad criminal" really means.

55 minutes ago, Moon99 said:

Now, the recent memo lists a broad range of categories of people who should be stripped of their naturalized citizenship status, providing further guidance as to who is not of good “moral character”.

I think Koko, in "The Mikado” has provided some guidance on this matter....

As some day it may happen that a victim must be found

I've got a little list — I've got a little list

Of society offenders who might well be underground

And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!

There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs —

All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs —

All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat —

All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like that —

And all third persons who on spoiling tête-á-têtes insist —

They'd none of 'em be missed — they'd none of 'em be missed!

There's the banjo serenader, and the others of his race

And the piano-organist — I've got him on the list!

And the people who eat peppermint and puff it in your face

They never would be missed — they never would be missed!

Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone

All centuries but this, and every country but his own;

And the lady from the provinces, who dresses like a guy

And who "doesn't think she dances, but would rather like to try";

And that singular anomaly, the lady novelist —

I don't think she'd be missed — I'm sure she'd not be missed!

(...)

He’s not “discussing” it. He’s already doing it, and ignoring the courts when they tell him to cease and desist.

7 hours ago, iNow said:

He’s not “discussing” it. He’s already doing it, and ignoring the courts when they tell him to cease and desist.

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Edited July 2Jul 2 by Alex_Krycek

I am not sure I understand that. So if you are a US citizen and they revoke your citizenship, what do you become? A citizen under the one world government?

This map indicates in green, the states where it is forbidden to deprive a person of statehood if that person is a child.
And it shows an uncivilised country in purple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child#/media/File:Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child.svg

8 minutes ago, John Cuthber said:

This map indicates in green, the states where it is forbidden to deprive a person of statehood if that person is a child.
And it shows an uncivilised country in purple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child#/media/File:Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child.svg

So second and third generation immigrants are okay it only first generation immigrants that being targeted?

I'm not sure there's a useful definition of "Okay" which includes the situation in the USA.

I note with some amusement that Trump is "only" a US citizen by birthright.
It would be perfectly possible to legally remove his citizenship under the laws he's planning to introduce.
Seems fair.
Maybe deport him to an El Salvadoran jail?

36 minutes ago, John Cuthber said:

This map indicates in green, the states where it is forbidden to deprive a person of statehood if that person is a child.
And it shows an uncivilised country in purple.

The 47 regime, unfortunately, is trying to cloak its uncivil nature with some crude and ham-handed legalisms, e.g. the child won't be deprived of statehood but will revert to the statehood of his immigrant parents. The birthright citizenship revocation (violating our Constitution and two centuries of legal precedent) is aimed at a child born on US soil, to let's say Honduran parents. The spurious legalism is to assert that the child's citizenship emanates from the parents and not the patch of ground. Therefore she is Honduran, even if she was born in Peoria, Illinois. One of the things that makes this all so pernicious is that many of these immigrant parents come here and enter the workforce and are so occupied with getting a foothold that they really don't have time to negotiate the labyrinth of paper work and court appointments that is their own path to citizenship. So it's unrealistic to expect them to be naturalized before their child is born, even if that is their intent. That's why the Constitutional right of birthright citizenship for the children has always made abundant sense.

Every day I read the news about what your jackass President has now done, whether it be tariffs, kidnapping people and deporting them, ending aid to Ukraine, bombing Iran, trying to annex other countries territory, forcing through one 'Big Beautiful' bill, ending birthright citizenship, etc., and it makes me angry for the rest of the day.
Not just at D Trump, but all his Secretaries/advisors, Republican backers, and all the voters who still support him.

I realize I'm becoming an angry hater, just like all his supporters; and I don't want to be like them.

16 minutes ago, MigL said:

I realize I'm becoming an angry hater, just like all his supporters; and I don't want to be like them.

The big difference between you and them is you have actual reasons for your disgust. Most of the MAGA crowd I've bothered to listen to have the most ambiguous complaints about all the issues. They either call Communist/Socialist (neither of which they can define accurately), or Dumbocrat/Liberal (again defined however they wish to), or they repeat some nonsense they've heard but didn't bother to check, like immigrants eating dogs and cats.

They've been so thoroughly misinformed by the social apps and their news sources that they can't be reasoned with unless you isolate them and make it personal. Some of the maggats are starting to hear about how their parents could lose their benefits, and they're realizing they're holding the gun that's shooting themselves in the foot. TFG just cancelled printing checks for beneficiaries, and now requires computer access for everyone. From what I understand there are hundreds of thousands of people eligible for benefits who don't have access to the tech required, and I have to believe some of those folks support TFG.

The thing is if second and third generation immigrants are okay now what to say Trump will not go after them?

Does this mean Trump is going to start deportation white people that do crime in the US. The so called second and third generation or fourth generation whites that do crime?

Using that matrix if that is what Trump is doing he may get deported him self being felon.

10 hours ago, Moon99 said:

Does this mean Trump is going to start deportation white people that do crime in the US

Again, not only has he already been doing this, but he's doing it even to people who have not received due process (validation that a crime was ever committed)

10 hours ago, Moon99 said:

what Trump is doing he may get deported him self being felon.

Valkyrie, part Deux

11 minutes ago, iNow said:

Valkyrie, part Deux

If you are referencing Operation Valkyrie, I have reservations about threads that escalate to suggesting assassination. (perhaps that's your point?) Such a means of deposing a fascist wannabe could cement a future of autocratic rule, as people rally around a strongman who can ensure order. Peel me a Chiquita.

10 hours ago, Moon99 said:

Does this mean Trump is going to start deportation white people that do crime in the US. The so called second and third generation or fourth generation whites that do crime?

47 is a white nationalist. He will not be going after the melanin-impaired.

59 minutes ago, iNow said:

Again, not only has he already been doing this, but he's doing it even to people who have not received due process (validation that a crime was ever committed)

Valkyrie, part Deux

To second and third generation immigrants?

Edited July 3Jul 3 by Moon99

1 hour ago, Moon99 said:

To second and third generation immigrants?

To anyone who doesn't toe the maga line. Anyone outside the tribe.

tl;dr: Yes

1 hour ago, TheVat said:

perhaps that's your point?

Not necessarily. More of a passing comment than a deep belief or serious recommendation

On 7/2/2025 at 10:45 AM, MigL said:

I realize I'm becoming an angry hater, just like all his supporters; and I don't want to be like them.

On 7/2/2025 at 11:18 AM, Phi for All said:

The big difference between you and them is you have actual reasons for your disgust. Most of the MAGA crowd I've bothered to listen to have the most ambiguous complaints about all the issues. They either call Communist/Socialist (neither of which they can define accurately), or Dumbocrat/Liberal (again defined however they wish to), or they repeat some nonsense they've heard but didn't bother to check, like immigrants eating dogs and cats.

I think we are seeing the development of a new society where facts do not matter as much as emotion, driven by a fractured media landscape that has realized that standards and regulations are not needed anymore and are, in fact, an hindrance to make money. Instead, attention and anger is the new (old?) currency. Add to that the regression of critical thinking skills and we have grift-based system where folks propagandize themselves without the need for centralized efforts.

44 minutes ago, CharonY said:

I think we are seeing the development of a new society where facts do not matter as much as emotion, driven by a fractured media landscape that has realized that standards and regulations are not needed anymore and are, in fact, an hindrance to make money. Instead, attention and anger is the new (old?) currency. Add to that the regression of critical thinking skills and we have grift-based system where folks propagandize themselves without the need for centralized efforts.

I see it as the final quarter of the capitalist dream game. The average person never questions how it can be called an "economy" when it performs so poorly for most and so brilliantly for a few. The extreme capitalists, who we continue to allow to horde cash, are openly grabbing up what they can, and aren't bothering to hide the fact that it's coming from those who can least afford to have it grabbed. And an easy way to grab up what someone else built at no cost to yourself is to seize their assets and deport them. It starts with busboys and farmworkers, and then it will move on to fines that, if not paid, will result in seizure of properties. Eventually, he'll have so much precedent, he can go after anyone who opposes him.

58 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

I see it as the final quarter of the capitalist dream game. The average person never questions how it can be called an "economy" when it performs so poorly for most and so brilliantly for a few. The extreme capitalists, who we continue to allow to horde cash, are openly grabbing up what they can, and aren't bothering to hide the fact that it's coming from those who can least afford to have it grabbed. And an easy way to grab up what someone else built at no cost to yourself is to seize their assets and deport them. It starts with busboys and farmworkers, and then it will move on to fines that, if not paid, will result in seizure of properties. Eventually, he'll have so much precedent, he can go after anyone who opposes him.

There is certainly a confluence of capitalism, technocracy and politics. Especially as the power has finally accumulated so heavily in the top, that they are now beyond reproach in influencing or controlling politics. At least in the past there was a need to pretend or play coy for fear of some sort of public repercussion. That is clearly gone now.

That being said, I don't think that grabbing assets is a part of the plan. These are just peanuts considering what they amass. I rather think that being cruel to those without power is part of the panem et circenses strategy, essentially to rally bigots and stoking fear, hatred and other divisive emotions (which then can be commercialized).

29 minutes ago, CharonY said:

That being said, I don't think that grabbing assets is a part of the plan. These are just peanuts considering what they amass. I rather think that being cruel to those without power is part of the panem et circenses strategy, essentially to rally bigots and stoking fear, hatred and other divisive emotions (which then can be commercialized).

Grabbing assets is definitely part of the overall plan, since wealth is how they ultimately rank themselves, and how they remove others from the game. And more and more, the game seems to be aimed at total global collapse, leaving them holding as much as they can. Billionaire wealth rose by 121% in the last ten years, and it's clear they've got the stock market beat, since the best of the indexes only made around 77%. They're using their money to push the world to the brink, because they're ready for it, and will profit from all the chaos they're creating. Again, deportation just gives them another tool to take assets away from others to benefit themselves.