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Just now, iNow said:

Because he hasn’t crossed the threshold of actually running. That’s a gating factor. If he doesn’t run, his odds are actually zero. 

Right, plus O'Rourke wasn't advocating anything. He was answering a question. 

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Just now, iNow said:

Because he hasn’t crossed the threshold of actually running. That’s a gating factor. If he doesn’t run, his odds are actually zero. 

His odds of entering the race are far from zero...so given that...his odds are not zero.

If Harris drops out, her odds are zero, but even though that is a possibility her odds are not zero at this point. 

Is this that difficult to understand?

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1 minute ago, Ten oz said:

Right, plus O'Rourke wasn't advocating anything. He was answering a question. 

I know and agree. That’s why I answered no. 

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5 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Why can you simply not accept that he is one of those favoured? Is it such a big deal to take a balanced position?

I just conceded he was the most favored ever. 

Why can't you accept that he was answering a question and not advocating a policy position? 

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1 minute ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Is this that difficult to understand?

Apparently so. It’s also entirely irrelevant to this line of discussion, moot, and yet being belabored endlessly by you for reasons unknown. 

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1 minute ago, iNow said:

Apparently so. It’s also entirely irrelevant to this line of discussion, moot, and yet being belabored endlessly by you for reasons unknown. 

You took exception to my claim. Clearly even though you have the grasp to understand that it was correct.

If I had claimed "of those that have entered the race, O'Rourke is one of the favourites" you would have a point. You know better, yet persist on denying and objecting to the claim I made, despite knowing it is true.

You might ask yourself why you do this, rather than accuse me of belabouring it endlessly. 

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Ok. Moving on please...

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I don’t agree. I’m moving on. PM if you’re compelled to continue conflating me with Ten Oz and needlessly beating this deceased equine. 

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1 hour ago, John Cuthber said:

To be fair, w can't rule out deluded, rather than dishonest.

I think Congress appropriates the funds and he knows it will  be blocked. That's why I called him a liar when he said he doesn't need to do it; he does if he is to have his way.

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True, though still plenty of time for folks to declare candidacy.  Election isn’t for another 20 months or so.

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2 minutes ago, Nod2003 said:

Election isn’t for another 20 months or so.

how much will that cost?

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I think presidential elections seem to cost around $0.5-1 billion per major party.  This one will probably break records and be higher.

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Trump is positioning his next demand/shutdown for the border wall. 

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President Donald Trump on Monday will ask the U.S. Congress for an additional $8.6 billion to help pay for the wall he promised to build on the southern border with Mexico to combat illegal immigration and drug trafficking, officials familiar with his 2020 budget request told Reuters.

The demand is more than six times what Congress allocated for border projects in each of the past two fiscal years, and 6 percent more than Trump has corralled by invoking emergency powers this year.

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On 1/11/2019 at 3:26 AM, Ten oz said:

So at Trump request the annual budget for DHS is up 7.3 billion dollars a year since he has taken office. DHS budget 2019 and DHS budget 2018. 

DHS spending has already increased by nearly 15 billion dollars under Trump. Via the national emergency declaration Trump is demanding another roughly 6 billion and then his 2020 budget includes another 8 billion. 

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The White House is expected to release Trump's budget proposal for fiscal year 2020 on Monday. It is expected to seek $8.6 billion from Congress for additional barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border.

That amount would be on top of the funds Trump will redirect from other programs as part of his national emergency, said Vought, who's minding the Office of Management and Budget after previous OMB head Mick Mulvaney left the agency to become the president's acting chief of staff. Link

 

The increases we have already had, the national emergency, and now the additional budget requests all add up to around 30 billion dollars. 

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4 hours ago, Ten oz said:

The increases we have already had, the national emergency, and now the additional budget requests all add up to around 30 billion dollars. 

So that's what "Small government" means...

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Ten oz said:
"It is terrifying for the nation that we have a President who is purposefully scheming to keep Congress dysfunctional for long as possible. Just does thing to intentionally waste as much of everyones time as humanly possible. Yet it is a brilliant strategy for Trump personally because it forces his opposition to expend time, resources, political capital, and etc fighting meaningless battles."

I remember someone suggesting you give him money for his damn wall, it would be cheaper in the long run.
Then fight the battles which have significance ( i.e. get D Trump impeached and out of office ).
And then you won't have to worry about actually building it.

I'm glad you finally came around to realizing that D Trump is 'playing' Congress.

Oh, and the original question by Nod2003 was:
"are any DEMOCRATS advocating removing those sections of wall which already exist?"

Not declared Democratic candidates, Presidential candidates, or what have you; nor hypothetical or declared policy.
JCM answered the question factually; INow did not.
You and INow then went on a spin campaign about declaring candidacy, chances of winning, etc., when you could have simply said "You are right, JCM"
( and it wouldn't have dragged on, INow )

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25 minutes ago, MigL said:

remember someone suggesting you give him money for his damn wall, it would be cheaper in the long run.
Then fight the battles which have significance ( i.e. get D Trump impeached and out of office ).
And then you won't have to worry about actually building it.

I think giving him the money would be significantly more expensive because it sets a precedence which will be followed by Politicians for decades. 

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35 minutes ago, Ten oz said:

I think giving him the money would be significantly more expensive because it sets a precedence which will be followed by Politicians for decades. 

It's the general policy of not giving in to blackmailers.

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On 3/11/2019 at 9:18 AM, Ten oz said:

DHS spending has already increased by nearly 15 billion dollars under Trump. Via the national emergency declaration Trump is demanding another roughly 6 billion and then his 2020 budget includes another 8 billion. 

The increases we have already had, the national emergency, and now the additional budget requests all add up to around 30 billion dollars. 

Which begs the question... why?

Between March and July of last year, $1.2 billion had been earmarked to the Army Corps of Engineers for surveys, construction, land acquisition, and program management. By year's end, the Corps had a little less than $700 million under contract for construction of new and replacement wall system in the Rio Grande Valley, Tucson, Yuma, El Centro and San Diego sectors. An additional $300 million or so was ready to award when the government reopened after the shutdown. Those bids are yet to be closed and there remains a surplus of over $200 million.

As far as actual checks being cut, those amount to a mere 6% of that budget. The ACoE is still in the planning stages and tendering contracts. They haven't even begun the survey portion, no less eminent domain and legal issues, environmental and other regulations and actual construction.

So $30 billion is little more than a number thrown out to piss down a hole to buy votes for 2020.

 

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The Border Patrol, a component of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, faces a crisis in hiring, training and retaining agents as well as keeping track of what exactly its 19,555 agents are doing at any given time, according to internalwatchdog reports. 

As the Border Patrol struggles to maintain current workforce levels, its greatest challenge will be President Trump's executive order from two years ago calling for the hiring of an additional 5,000 agents to seal off the southern border.

Since that Jan. 25, 2017, order, what should have been a flood of hiring has been, at best, a trickle. In 2018, the agency added 118 Border Patrol agents, with only three stationed along the southern border. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/29/border-patrol-struggling-to-hire-5000-agents-president-trump/3155869002/

 

As the National Emergency continues and Agency search for ways to give reallocate money to Trump's wall it is worth discussing the fact that previous executive orders at the remain unfinished. 

Border Patrol hasn't been able to hire more agents despite increases in their recruitment budget and spending. 

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23 hours ago, Ten oz said:

As the National Emergency continues and Agency search for ways to give reallocate money to Trump's wall it is worth discussing the fact that previous executive orders at the remain unfinished. 

Border Patrol hasn't been able to hire more agents despite increases in their recruitment budget and spending. 

Perhaps they could hire some temporary workers from Mexico.

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1 hour ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Perhaps they could hire some temporary workers from Mexico.

You joke but I have long felt that the U.S. should pay Mexico to handle border security. Here in the U.S. we spend $30 billion a year directly on agencies like Border Patrol, Immigration Custom Enforcement, and Custom Border Protection. That $30 billion doesn't cover the additional money spent by local govts, detention centers & prisons,  or on assistance provided by DOD other DHS agency like Coast Guard, TSA, or etc. The number probably closer to $50 billion. By contrast Mexico whole national budget is $291 billion. If we gave Mexico even a quarter of what we are spending to police the border it would be a massive incentive for their govt to police it. We'd could put different metrics in places promising a center amount of money provided illegal crossing are held to a certain threshold.  

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So...the Mexicans should build a wall...and make Americans pay for it! 

(just kidding)

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18 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

So...the Mexicans should build a wall...and make Americans pay for it! 

(just kidding)

Kidding or not the suggestion would be far less expensive than what is happening. 

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