dimreepr

Do we? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aboriginal_culture#Customary_law We are so caught up with protecting ourselves from violence and theft, we forget to consider that that protection involves violence, and theft from other's. If you feed a lion, it doesn't need to kill you; put it in a cage and you give it another motive.

Because they're more comfortable now... History is just another example, of a less efficient system; but we're much more clever now...

Yet they build them, into the course... Go figure...

How do you know what they desire; you haven't walked a step in their shoe's, much less a mile? Being easy has no part to play in justice; it's much easier and cheaper to just kill those we disaprove of... "None shall pass"

I'm not sure what you're saying, please elaborate, before I pass "Judgement"... 😉

I said I had a bad rep for a reason, that I'm not proud of; I put a smaller kid than me in hospital, with the nearest weapon to hand, just for calling me name's; he wasn't lucky enough to be 'nuggety'. I wasn't lucky enough to grow up in a violence free enviroment (many of my peers actually congratulated me), but I was lucky enough to learn from my brutality. That's why I limited my reparation to just protecting the bullied with friendship, one less person to suffer and one less person to be trained to inflict suffering.

That's precisely my point, the people you call incoridgable have to be encouraged/trained in bad conditions and uncaring trainer's; the lucky people/dog's live where they're trained to be good dog's/citizens. I have as much pity for my fellow man as I do for a mistreated canine.

Indeed, captain hindsight is always right...

History, suggest's, there is something to be learned...

Indeed, until they're taught otherwise; why else do the privileged restrict their education? And pretend it's a meritorious society...

A trained pitbull fighting dog shows no remorse, but given the horrific nature of their training, they deserve my pity and the opportunity (love) to have a better life. Lucky you, I was luck too, I had a very bad rep at school and all the bullies left me well alone. But not everyone is capable of dishing out their own justice. You're letting your bias show; perhaps think about it from a different viewpoint/perspective, turning the other cheek is necessary for that. Don't I get a say, it is my topic? Because you don't have too, again you lucky duck. Don't you think the people less fortunate than you deserve protection? That's why, at school, I befriended the most bullied among us, so as to extend my privilege, too them. I think that policy should extend to everyone in our society, after all the pitbulls training is basically an extreme regime of being bullied... 😉

We're going round in circle's, precisely because you let your imagination dictate your empathy; all I'm doing is suggesting, we're all capable, given the right (by which I mean correct/unfortunate) condition's, of being a nasty perp/terrorist. Try imagining, what the right/correct/unfortunate condition's would drive you to commit a crime or become a freedom fighter? I very much doubt that you would EVER consider yourself to be a terrorist... 😉 It's only a model...

We're no less dead... Much like an accident in a custard factory... Are we really considering a more efficient explosion?

Did anyone consider, the Taliban are true to their word?

Efficiency is not the issue, we have more than enough sunlight (and wind) to produce enough hydrogen to fuel every car on the planet. And every hydrogen fuelled car, when not used to travel, can power a household. So while we wait for fusion to catch up and rescue us, we rely on a less efficient method... No more than sitting on a petrol tank...

There is no justice, there's just us... Forgiveness isn't about what they deserve, it's about what we deserve, and the best chance of your victim recovering from her ordeal is to forget about the perp and let other's deal with him; with compassion initially, if that doesn't bear fruit and he/she truely is incorrigible, then by all means throw away the key; in fact string em up I say, that's probably kinder... Now who's being presumptive, all I've said is, start by considering them both as victim's. It's you that wanted to give more consideration to one side and unbalance the scales. Justice for all under the law, is the target for every civilised society; I don't know if that's achievable when so many are persuaded to seek revenge on a freedom fighter, because we're told that they're terrorist's, by the law maker's or The Daily Mail. It's not a coincidence that I referred to "The Holy Grail"... 😉

We can but hope, that they are sincere in-house...

That's the wrong question to ask... A more pertinent question is, can we make car's more effective?

It's certainly a waste of Tim...

Why? What are you going to do to them, if they don't appear (or have the capacity) to play by your rules? Your only option is some form of torture; while that may make you feel a bit better for a moment or two, I can't imagine how that would benefit your victim. What would that achieve? The best thing we can do for the victim (as per your case), is to teach them the power of forgiveness, and the futility of revenge. The only thing we seem unable to agree on, is the potential of even the cruellest of criminal's to also be a victim; and the importance of that possibility in a just society.

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But what?

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, it depends on which end of the cutlery we're viewing it from. What Mandela did was: Demanded they listen. Convince them they're wrong. Forgave them for being wrong. And so allay their fear of revenge. Seems like something we can learn from. Of course there are extreme examples and of course they're abhorrent and of course the perp needs to be in a prison; no argument here... And in that protective custody, we have the chance to correct his/her obviously disturbed mental condition, it's only when we fail; that we can consider him/her incorrigible, and justifiably throw away the key. That doesn't mean they don't deserve forgiveness.