dimreepr

Is that why you resorted to ridicule; as some sort of wishy-washy attempt at an argument?

And I'm asking why do we need [1] (why is it obligatory), when [2] and [3] adequately protects while attempting to cure? Answer that and this merry-go-round comes to an end... 😉 I only have compassion for me, as I've previously stated, just in case my training isn't quite as good as I thought it was and I find myself in the dock; with the likes of you pointing and calling me a witch...

Good luck with that, fearing something you have no control over, isn't a path to peace; just like seeking revenge. I do wonder though, if you'd take pleasure in dishing out their comeuppance; and sleep better? Since WW2 has lead to what you believe is a society with the best, possible handle on justice; I'd say Hitler had a part to play in causing that. Why do you need 100%, for it to be better than what we've got? Isn't 10% over what we have now, worth a go? Do you really think the world would be a better place, if we lock up every potential threat; ergo there is no more threat? Tell that to Afghanistan... That's my boy, if you don't understand it, it can't be understood. 🙄

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Welcome to the ghost of old Tom Joad...

Then the scales of justice are measuring the wrong thing. Jeez, how many more page's... A little less subtle, but sometimes we need a hammer...

Then we know we got it wrong, feel free to throw away the key or put them down, like you would a dangerous dog (with the lament "it's kinder"). What if we got the wrong guy in the first place and vent our spleen's on them, again we got it wrong; but now we're happy to let it happen to a plethora of other innocents in the certain knowledge, that our vented spleen makes the world a better place. How do you prevent a disease you don't know you have? "The two most important days in your life are the day you were born and the day you find out why." - Mark Twain.

Have you tried? No-one knows the future, all you can change is now.

I think you find it in most religion's, Buddhism is a more recognised philosophy, in it forgiveness leads to inner-peace; seems to be a pretty good place to start... 😉 Because not doing so can't change the past; only your future... Seems to me what you mean is, "Justice according to my emotional judgement of the "evil" he "possess". Rose West Evil monster or innocent victim of child abuse?

So let's start with, assuming the perp is a victim too, until proven otherwise...

How does this argue my post? Indeed, it's clear that you don't understand my philosophy; my apologies for not explaining it, to you, properly...

It's the best chance we've got, sometimes the hardest person to forgive is me... What's religion got to do with it? Exactly, you struggle to comprehend the peace it brings...

OK, so what do you recommend?

So, no then; besides evil only exists in hell, inside the dark lord. How do you know that Hitler didn't lead to a better world? Besides, what good would it do for the victim's of him; to seek revenge on him. Natural justice is an eye for an eye (in Hitler's case, kill him without torture), not two eye's for one; that's why revenge just leads to blindness and why it can only damage society. Cinamatic justice is fiction, sure it feels good to see "the evil bastard" get their comeuppance. In real life the situation is infinitely more nuanced; for instance: Fiction, we get to personally witness the crime and see the pleasure he's getting, sometimes we're given a back storyline to confirm what an "evil monster" he is; and then the "good folks" prevail. Life, we can't be sure of anything; even if we personally witness the crime. It's not compassion for other's, it's purely selfish; it's how I'd like to be treated, if I ever find myself in the dock.

Forgiveness isn't about what's best for the perp, it's about what's best for you; even if the forgiven is you...

Within the confines of being human; no two bat's are the same but they're all bat's. Of course I would pity you; you can't find peace in forgiveness.

Wow, that's so profound, I'll have to reconsider my whole approach. 🙄 Why do we need [1]punishment? When 2 and 3 are adequate for justice to prevail?

Not all, but then I never said that (cough-strawman-cough)... As with my pitbul analogy, most of them are only dangerous when given the wrong training (you seem to have agreed with that), the rest of them are dangerous because they have some sort of mental illness (which is not their fault); All of them deserve my pity. Can you provide evidence that that's not equally true of humans?

@beecee And I think that attitude damage's society, because if we don't consider the criminal's as victim's too, then we just discard otherwise useful member's of society with little to no sympathy- -For the damage that system did to them; making them suffer for being poor or in a minority, and creating crimals from otherwise decent people. It takes nothing away from the victim, to give the perp the same consideration. Maybe you should take another look at that video I posted about the need for prisons.

Your edit doesn't alter my reply, neither does the rest of it. Please try again, precisely which part of which statement contradicts the other...

I see no contradiction in those statement's, please elaborate.

I've never agreed "that there are evil bastards and incorridgible criminals", I think, a very small minority of people have done evil thing's, but I don't agree that it makes them inherently evil or incorridgible, even if they show (to your mind) no signs of remorse. I do agree that we need 'A' prison, but my version is, no doubt, far removed from what you think it should be; mine would be more like a secure holiday home, where we attempt to either, cure them, or failing that, secure them and I think if a cure is definitely not possible, then killing them is justifiable. All other prison's, I beleive, are not only not necessary but actively damaging to society. But they come at it from very different political culture's: Japan, very conservative and generally happy while in close proximity to other's. Norway, very liberal and used to their own space. UK, USA, not really sure and generally hate close proximity to 'others'; that's why we like prison's.

Of whom?

When did I suggest otherwise; the problem is, people like to use that as an excuse to prevent a better society. A lion isn't evil, even a man killer; that it has to be killed, doesn't prevent nirvana, your fear does. Just because we have prisons, doesn't mean they're needed... Really, we still need the planet to live on...