dimreepr

It's the best chance we've got, sometimes the hardest person to forgive is me... What's religion got to do with it? Exactly, you struggle to comprehend the peace it brings...

OK, so what do you recommend?

So, no then; besides evil only exists in hell, inside the dark lord. How do you know that Hitler didn't lead to a better world? Besides, what good would it do for the victim's of him; to seek revenge on him. Natural justice is an eye for an eye (in Hitler's case, kill him without torture), not two eye's for one; that's why revenge just leads to blindness and why it can only damage society. Cinamatic justice is fiction, sure it feels good to see "the evil bastard" get their comeuppance. In real life the situation is infinitely more nuanced; for instance: Fiction, we get to personally witness the crime and see the pleasure he's getting, sometimes we're given a back storyline to confirm what an "evil monster" he is; and then the "good folks" prevail. Life, we can't be sure of anything; even if we personally witness the crime. It's not compassion for other's, it's purely selfish; it's how I'd like to be treated, if I ever find myself in the dock.

Forgiveness isn't about what's best for the perp, it's about what's best for you; even if the forgiven is you...

Within the confines of being human; no two bat's are the same but they're all bat's. Of course I would pity you; you can't find peace in forgiveness.

Wow, that's so profound, I'll have to reconsider my whole approach. 🙄 Why do we need [1]punishment? When 2 and 3 are adequate for justice to prevail?

Not all, but then I never said that (cough-strawman-cough)... As with my pitbul analogy, most of them are only dangerous when given the wrong training (you seem to have agreed with that), the rest of them are dangerous because they have some sort of mental illness (which is not their fault); All of them deserve my pity. Can you provide evidence that that's not equally true of humans?

@beecee And I think that attitude damage's society, because if we don't consider the criminal's as victim's too, then we just discard otherwise useful member's of society with little to no sympathy- -For the damage that system did to them; making them suffer for being poor or in a minority, and creating crimals from otherwise decent people. It takes nothing away from the victim, to give the perp the same consideration. Maybe you should take another look at that video I posted about the need for prisons.

Your edit doesn't alter my reply, neither does the rest of it. Please try again, precisely which part of which statement contradicts the other...

I see no contradiction in those statement's, please elaborate.

I've never agreed "that there are evil bastards and incorridgible criminals", I think, a very small minority of people have done evil thing's, but I don't agree that it makes them inherently evil or incorridgible, even if they show (to your mind) no signs of remorse. I do agree that we need 'A' prison, but my version is, no doubt, far removed from what you think it should be; mine would be more like a secure holiday home, where we attempt to either, cure them, or failing that, secure them and I think if a cure is definitely not possible, then killing them is justifiable. All other prison's, I beleive, are not only not necessary but actively damaging to society. But they come at it from very different political culture's: Japan, very conservative and generally happy while in close proximity to other's. Norway, very liberal and used to their own space. UK, USA, not really sure and generally hate close proximity to 'others'; that's why we like prison's.

Of whom?

When did I suggest otherwise; the problem is, people like to use that as an excuse to prevent a better society. A lion isn't evil, even a man killer; that it has to be killed, doesn't prevent nirvana, your fear does. Just because we have prisons, doesn't mean they're needed... Really, we still need the planet to live on...

Do we? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aboriginal_culture#Customary_law We are so caught up with protecting ourselves from violence and theft, we forget to consider that that protection involves violence, and theft from other's. If you feed a lion, it doesn't need to kill you; put it in a cage and you give it another motive.

Because they're more comfortable now... History is just another example, of a less efficient system; but we're much more clever now...

Yet they build them, into the course... Go figure...

How do you know what they desire; you haven't walked a step in their shoe's, much less a mile? Being easy has no part to play in justice; it's much easier and cheaper to just kill those we disaprove of... "None shall pass"

I'm not sure what you're saying, please elaborate, before I pass "Judgement"... 😉

I said I had a bad rep for a reason, that I'm not proud of; I put a smaller kid than me in hospital, with the nearest weapon to hand, just for calling me name's; he wasn't lucky enough to be 'nuggety'. I wasn't lucky enough to grow up in a violence free enviroment (many of my peers actually congratulated me), but I was lucky enough to learn from my brutality. That's why I limited my reparation to just protecting the bullied with friendship, one less person to suffer and one less person to be trained to inflict suffering.

That's precisely my point, the people you call incoridgable have to be encouraged/trained in bad conditions and uncaring trainer's; the lucky people/dog's live where they're trained to be good dog's/citizens. I have as much pity for my fellow man as I do for a mistreated canine.

Indeed, captain hindsight is always right...

History, suggest's, there is something to be learned...

Indeed, until they're taught otherwise; why else do the privileged restrict their education? And pretend it's a meritorious society...

A trained pitbull fighting dog shows no remorse, but given the horrific nature of their training, they deserve my pity and the opportunity (love) to have a better life. Lucky you, I was luck too, I had a very bad rep at school and all the bullies left me well alone. But not everyone is capable of dishing out their own justice. You're letting your bias show; perhaps think about it from a different viewpoint/perspective, turning the other cheek is necessary for that. Don't I get a say, it is my topic? Because you don't have too, again you lucky duck. Don't you think the people less fortunate than you deserve protection? That's why, at school, I befriended the most bullied among us, so as to extend my privilege, too them. I think that policy should extend to everyone in our society, after all the pitbulls training is basically an extreme regime of being bullied... 😉

We're going round in circle's, precisely because you let your imagination dictate your empathy; all I'm doing is suggesting, we're all capable, given the right (by which I mean correct/unfortunate) condition's, of being a nasty perp/terrorist. Try imagining, what the right/correct/unfortunate condition's would drive you to commit a crime or become a freedom fighter? I very much doubt that you would EVER consider yourself to be a terrorist... 😉 It's only a model...