Will a Romney/Ryan win save us?

[swansont]

Don't you LOVE the hypocrisy of this one? Liberals support the Constitutional separation of church and state, so they don't really care about Romney's religion as long as he doesn't try to govern by it. It's the religious right that really hates the fact he's Mormon (many Christians think Mormons are cultists). So, the tactic is to pretend the liberals have a problem with his religion, and the conservatives don't. Also it helps to paint the left as anti-religion, so you can't be accused of defending parts of the Constitution, like the right to bear arms, while trying to establish a religion-based governance. How... classy.

And, of course, it gets turned around with the not-so-subtle hints that he's secretly a Muslim because of those who interpret the first amendment as the right to freely exercise Christianity and only Christianity (or possibly Judaism), and any acknowledgement that anything not based on the Bible exists is somehow an attack on Christianity rather than a level playing field.

[Phi for All]

Why all the anger?

What made you think I was angry? Was it because I called bullshit and deception on some of those visually-enhanced-for-the-integrity-challenged sound bytes you linked us to and asked us to evaluate for veracity? I was just pointing out their shallow, intellectually dishonest roots. Was it because I said I was tired of checking them out? The first six showed no merit whatsoever. I had some friends to meet up with and had other things to do, so I assumed there were no real facts hiding out further down the list (normally a good tactic is to start with facts before you switch to deceit, that way your audience is more trusting).

 

Frankly rigney, those were just a bunch of emotionally charged monkey turds, meant to be thrown over the fence at the people you think you hate. It doesn't anger me so much as it disgusts me. We're Americans and we've let ourselves be separated from our common goals by a bunch of special interest spinners who know that whipping up the mob emotionally makes us forget how smart we can be. Why we aren't calling for heads to roll in a Congress that only one person in ten feels is performing adequately is a great testimony to how effective these special interest groups are.

 

What angers me is that these tactics work. America is being strawmanned on both sides. Nobody is 100% liberal or conservative, but that's the way we're being portrayed and the way we're being attacked. And most of it, I feel, is to distract us from the real threat, the way our government is being manipulated. In the Old West, the best way to cheat at cards was to start a fight in the bar and then stack the deck in your favor when the other players were watching the brawl.

[John Cuthber]

It is difficult to offer this very sad first statement since it is the president speaking.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/03/obama-i-had-a-son-hed-look-like-trayvon-118439.html

What was the point you though this made?

[Ringer]

No salt in the following! While it may not be quite as fascinating, it is also online. I wonder if any of it could be true?

http://frontpagemag....eral-logic-101/

 

I like how in one post it's the anti-religious left and 6 posts later they know believe trees have souls, a religious idea.

[Phi for All]

I think the most telling point of the last debate was when Romney was asked what makes him different from Bush II. He failed to address the question right away, disrespecting the young woman who asked it by going back to the previous question about contraception. When he finally gave her question the last part of his attention, he merely said he and Bush are two different people (duh!) and these are different times (double duh!!) and that's the reason his plan is so different than what Bush would have done.

 

The real differences between Bush and Romney is that Bush was working with a surplus and tax receipts were at record highs. Romney wants to lower taxes for the wealthy with nothing to offset it just like Bush did, and while it was stupid in 2001 it's insane to do it with huge deficits and low tax receipts.

 

He wants to be tough on China (even though they've backed off currency manipulation for the most part) and champion small business, both of which were Bush objectives. He opposes universal healthcare and wants to mess with Medicare just like Bush did, after he trashes all the work Obama has done. Under Bush we had Enron and the Wall Street shenanigans, which forced Congress to pass laws like Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank, and guess what? ROMNEY WANTS TO GET RID OF THOSE TOO!!!

 

The President nailed it when he countered that one of the differences between Bush and Romney was that even Bush knew that turning Medicare into a voucher system was a bad idea. I think it's pretty clear that a Romney/Ryan win would bring the worst parts of the Bush administration back, only this time we'd have less revenue to spend and a much higher deficit.

 

We're finally getting some credibility with the rest of the world after Bush trashed our relationships with so many. Pakistan seems to be the only major country that wants Romney to win, but I don't recall Romney ever saying he'd stop the drone attacks there, so I don't think they're really thinking this through. It saddens me when I hear so many fellow countrymen dismissing what the rest of the world thinks. The US has long passed the point where we can ignore our place in a global society. It's ignorant to think we could survive long without friends around the globe just because we currently have the top spot.

 

There are many things you could say about Romney's veracity and capabilities, about his lack of strategy and insane approach to domestic challenges, but ultimately I hope people realize that he's just not much different than George W. Bush. And I think 99% of us can all agree that no one wants another George W. Bush.

[akh]

 

The real differences between Bush and Romney is that Bush was working with a surplus and tax receipts were at record highs. Romney wants to lower taxes for the wealthy with nothing to offset it just like Bush did, and while it was stupid in 2001 it's insane to do it with huge deficits and low tax receipt.

 

For a guy who insists (or at one time insisted) that the government cannot create jobs, he seems to have some pretty weird ideas of what will happen if he becomes president. The guy thinks that the second he jumps into office, the economy will boom just because of the presence of his crooked smile. That's how he plans to make up the balance; by waving his magic wand over the economy, thus increasing the tax base. I can't figure out if he is delusional, stupid, or plain lying in this regard (good chance its a mix of all three). This is why he flat out refuses to answer as to how he plans to increase military spending and at the same time lower taxes. He completely ignored a direct question about this in the last debate. The math does not work! Romney is hedging a bet, and it will be the 99 percent that will suffer if (when) it fails. Its a policy that has been tried multiple times and has never, ever worked! Why would it work this time?!

[Phi for All]

The guy thinks that the second he jumps into office, the economy will boom just because of the presence of his crooked smile.

Good points. Actually, I think the main reason the GOP is so desperate to get Romney elected is because the cycle is swinging back, and the work Obama has done thus far will have a positive effect for at least another 18 months even if he isn't re-elected. This will make it seem like Romney jumps into office and the economy improves further. He may be able to capitalize on this for a while, but inevitably his policies will turn the cycle back downwards, imo.

 

That's why it's do or die for the GOP. If Obama gets another four years and takes us back closer to a pre-Bush economy, coupled with the international respect Obama has engendered and the prospects that focus on innovation in science and technology will mean for us in the long run, I don't think the Republicans will be able to hold on to the splintered and conflicted base they have.

[rigney]

Good points. Actually, I think the main reason the GOP is so desperate to get Romney elected is because the cycle is swinging back, and the work Obama has done thus far will have a positive effect for at least another 18 months even if he isn't re-elected. This will make it seem like Romney jumps into office and the economy improves further. He may be able to capitalize on this for a while, but inevitably his policies will turn the cycle back downwards, imo.

 

That's why it's do or die for the GOP. If Obama gets another four years and takes us back closer to a pre-Bush economy, coupled with the international respect Obama has engendered and the prospects that focus on innovation in science and technology will mean for us in the long run, I don't think the Republicans will be able to hold on to the splintered and conflicted base they have.

You mention international respect as if it were some "Holy Grail" has in hand. Read the truth as to what the civilized world is thinking about him.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/does-the-world-hate-obama-or-just-have-no-respect-for-him/question-290786/

[mississippichem]

You mention international respect as if it were some "Holy Grail" has in hand. Read the truth as to what the civilized world is thinking about him.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/does-the-world-hate-obama-or-just-have-no-respect-for-him/question-290786/

 

How reputable does that source look to you rigney?

[ydoaPs]

You mention international respect as if it were some "Holy Grail" has in hand. Read the truth as to what the civilized world is thinking about him.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/does-the-world-hate-obama-or-just-have-no-respect-for-him/question-290786/

 

 

Oh, yes, the rest of the world (except Pakistan) are flat out lying when they say they overwhelmingly support Obama.

[rigney]

You've got me! I've have to admit that it's about as reliable as listening to our government officials explaining Benghazi.

Edited October 26, 2012 by rigney

[Phi for All]

You mention international respect as if it were some "Holy Grail" has in hand. Read the truth as to what the civilized world is thinking about him.

"Read the truth as to what the civilized world three unidentified people is were thinking about him back in 2009."

 

Fixed that for you.

 

 

 

I really do think it's sad that ultra-conservatives in the US have this "Screw the rest of the world, we're America and you can kiss our ass!" mentality in this day and age. With China looming as a solid contender to become a superpower in the very near future, can we hope to wait till people like this are dead and gone before we start acknowledging the efforts of the rest of the world? Do they not matter to us anymore? Is that why we're maintaining such a huge military, because our goal is to stand alone against the rest of the world?

[mississippichem]

You've got me! I've have to admit that it's about as reliable as listening to our government officials explaining Benghazi.

 

I think its pretty safe to say that one should trust government officials over an online poll where n=3 and the question was worded as a very leading question heavily biased to one side.

 

I think it's also safe to say you are not a fan of valid statistical methods.

[rigney]

I think its pretty safe to say that one should trust government officials over an online poll where n=3 and the question was worded as a very leading question heavily biased to one side.

 

I think it's also safe to say you are not a fan of valid statistical methods.

Valid statisticians and their methods, yes. B.S.experts, No!

[ydoaPs]

You mention international respect as if it were some "Holy Grail" has in hand. Read the truth as to what the civilized world is thinking about him.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/does-the-world-hate-obama-or-just-have-no-respect-for-him/question-290786/

 

Aside from Pakistan, the rest of the world is overwhelmingly supporting Obama.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20008687

 

You were saying?

 

Valid statisticians and their methods, yes.

 

Good. Look at the poll the BBC did with far more than 3 respondents.

[rigney]

Aside from Pakistan, the rest of the world is overwhelmingly supporting Obama.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20008687

 

You were saying?

 

 

 

Good. Look at the poll the BBC did with far more than 3 respondents.

Is that why the Germans came out with this some time back?

http://blog.beliefnet.com/watchwomanonthewall/2011/09/hum%E2%98%BAr-from-german-parades-floats-and-balloons-in-carnival-parade.html

Edited October 26, 2012 by rigney

[ydoaPs]

Is that why Germany came out with this?

http://sbynews.blogspot.com/2012/03/parade-in-germany-world-is-laughing.htmlhttp://sbynews.blogspot.com/2012/03/parade-in-germany-world-is-laughing.html

 

That's quite a change in opinion from when you said

 

Valid statisticians and their methods, yes. B.S.experts, No!

 

only one post earlier.

[swansont]

Is that why the Germans came out with this some time back?

http://blog.beliefnet.com/watchwomanonthewall/2011/09/hum%E2%98%BAr-from-german-parades-floats-and-balloons-in-carnival-parade.html

I truly hope you realize that "the Germans" are not some monolithic group that all have the same opinion, and that having criticisms of a candidate does not mean that you do not prefer that candidate over his (or her) opponent. I have criticisms of Obama, but I prefer him to Romney.

[rigney]

I truly hope you realize that "the Germans" are not some monolithic group that all have the same opinion, and that having criticisms of a candidate does not mean that you do not prefer that candidate over his (or her) opponent. I have criticisms of Obama, but I prefer him to Romney.

Absolutely! The German people are not monolythic today and haven't been since the very early forties when we and our allies bombed and battered them into submission. While I am not personally enamored with Romney's politics, I trust them far more than I do those being laid out by Obama. Does something have to be done to correct this nations problems? Yes! But not as I believe to be happening, our quick transition into a socialistic state. And yes, I am one of the poorest republican/democrats. Edited October 27, 2012 by rigney

[iNow]

Does something have to be done to correct this nations problems? Yes! But not as I believe to be happening, our quick transition into a socialistic state.

Except Obama's policies have shown him to be slightly to the right of Ronald Reagan. Are you implying that Reagan was a socialist?

[rigney]

Except Obama's policies have shown him to be slightly to the right of Ronald Reagan. Are you implying that Reagan was a socialist?

How do you rationalize that Romney was left leaning? The following to me is left leaning, and I do mean far left.

This DVD 2016 is not an Anti-Political film, but a thumbnail sketch of an iceberg lurking just below the waterline containing an ideology capable of sinking our nation as we know it. Is it part of a wish list for future generations of Americans?

http://2016themovie.com/media/

Edited October 27, 2012 by rigney

[iNow]

Nothing in your post relates to mine, nor even begins to address the question I posed to you. It's as if you asked me if I was willing to come over to your house on Thursday and my reply to you was, "I like helicopters!"

 

Try to stop believing the biased propaganda that's out there, rigney. There are far greater bits of information available to you than the ones you so regularly reference.

 

[ydoaPs]

Absolutely! The German people are not monolythic today and haven't been since the very early forties when we and our allies bombed and battered them into submission.

 

So, you see why your post above doesn't at all invalidate the poll I provided?

 

While I am not personally enamored with Romney's politics, I trust them far more than I do those being laid out by Obama.

 

You trust the guy who literally supports every side of every issue? You trust the guy who averaged nearly a lie a minute in every debate? You trust the guy who ships American jobs overseas and then blames Obama for the jobs going overseas? You trust the guy who said veterans, active duty military personnel, college students, and the majority of his voter base are unproductive leeches on society? You trust the guy whose son bought up voting machines right before the election?

 

But not as I believe to be happening, our quick transition into a socialistic state.

 

We're quickly transitioning to a socialistic state? Ooh, let's see some examples.

[rigney]

Nothing in your post relates to mine, nor even begins to address the question I posed to you. It's as if you asked me if I was willing to come over to your house on Thursday and my reply to you was, "I like helicopters!"

 

Try to stop believing the biased propaganda that's out there, rigney. There are far greater bits of information available to you than the ones you so regularly reference.

 

Perhaps you should try that logo on for size. Better yet, believe what you think to be factual, and I will do the same. And you're right; ignorance is only relevent in the eyes, ears and mind of the beholder. Think about it. By the way, what was that question again. I would really like to give you an understandable answer, if I can. Edited October 27, 2012 by rigney

[Moontanman]

I almost wish the republicans would win this thing, a continuation of republican policies would result in the total destruction any credibility the republicans have, sadly it would also hurt our country in the extreme as well...