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13 hours ago, MigL said:

( although I've never heard of a black mass murderer )

I found this (untested) source that suggests that there have been 118 USA mass shootings in the previous 38 years which averages at about one a quarter.

It also suggests that just over 50% are perpetrated by whites.  Or, alternatively, just under 50% by non-whites:

 

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

This statistic shows the number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and February 26, 2020, by race and ethnicity of the shooter(s). Between 1982 and February 2020, 64 out of 118 mass shootings were initiated by White shooters.

[...]

White 64
Black 20
Latino 10
Asian 8
Other 5
Unknown/unclear 6
Native American 3

 

 

SHM

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2 hours ago, Dord said:

SHM

^SMH. oops

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On 6/24/2020 at 9:47 PM, iNow said:

The fact that you mention black on black violence at all is itself a problem.

It may be. It's a sensitive topic. Ignoring it may be a problem as well.

On 6/24/2020 at 9:47 PM, iNow said:

Violence tends to be more common within neighborhoods and neighborhoods tend to group like ethnicities together. That’s the only explanation needed. Proximity.

True, according to the Wiki link you provided:

"Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of White victims killed by Whites and 93% of African American victims killed by African Americans."

On 6/24/2020 at 9:47 PM, iNow said:

Its a function of proximity, not a function of ethnicity.  

Proximity is certainly a factor, but not the only one. It's not an inherent function of race, so if that's what you mean I agree.

On 6/24/2020 at 9:47 PM, iNow said:

And yet every time we speak of the disparate experience within the US “justice” system of our black neighbors and family, otherwise well intentioned people like yourself put forth the old canard of black on black crime. 

Ask yourself, how come nobody ever speaks of white on white crime or Asian on Asian crime even though those are also more common for the same proximity reasons cited above?

It’s almost certainly because the black on black crime idea is yet another distraction that we’ve simply become desensitized to, and it’s a tangent which keeps us from focusing upon and solving the real problems at play within the system itself. 

The Wiki link you provided again: 

"According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost eight times higher than Whites, and the victim rate six times higher."

Much of this depends on the US police/judicial system (including the source of the stats). If you choose to discount that 100% (even when/where if it isn't true), and instead choose to believe the disparities in crime and incarceration rates are all on them, are you going to solve the problem? You vilify (almost) all police/justices, and let other socio economic factors off the hook...why change any of that...let's just blame the police...even the good ones.

 

Not saying you do that...but why wouldn't anyone if they believed the crime rate was exactly the same (despite the conditions) and looked at the conviction/incarceration rates?

Let's not worry about poverty...let's abolish the police...like that will help.

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Nobody here is speaking in absolutes, JCM. Also, the people calling to defund ir dismantle the police are doing so in order for us to focus MORE on poverty and social safety net programs, so that last sentence about “let’s not worry about poverty” rings off-key. 

The higher rates for blacks ties directly to the disparate experience with police and the justice system more broadly. 

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, iNow said:

Nobody here is speaking in absolutes, JCM. Also, the people calling to defund ir dismantle the police are doing so in order for us to focus MORE on poverty and social safety net programs, so that last sentence about “let’s not worry about poverty” rings off-key. 

The higher rates for blacks ties directly to the disparate experience with police and the justice system more broadly. 

So you believe that's the majority of the problem?

Edited by J.C.MacSwell

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Let me say this another way: Their disparate experience is directly tied to the numbers

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27 minutes ago, iNow said:

Let me say this another way: Their disparate experience is directly tied to the numbers

Fair enough. I agree with that, and the numbers are tied to the disparate experience.

What are the root causes? 

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Posted (edited)

Our evolution as tribal primates / mostly hairless apes whose ancestors spent more time warring with non-kin than cooperating together for greater common good... cooperation being a relatively recent addition to our species toolkit. 

Edited by iNow

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It seems that Seattle's 'CHOP' zone is to be dismantled.

https://6abc.com/seattle-will-de-escalate-and-dismantle-chop-autonomous-zone-mayor-/6261518/

Apparently, after one homicide, two other shootings, reports of assaults, robberies, rapes and multiple cases of arson, it was decided that society, in general, is just like cops;  some idiots spoil it for everybody.
Or should we assume that there is a systemic problem with 'utopia'.
( yeah, I'm being a little inflammatory; I enjoyed this thread, and want to get it re-started )

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14 hours ago, MigL said:

Or should we assume that there is a systemic problem with 'utopia'.

Of course we should, we can't find no-place; but we can find a better-place, even if you don't want to look...

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