dimreepr

Well, in America it produced a constitution, in Russia it produced communism, in Rome it produced a religion. That they were later corrupted doesn't = backwards... Intellectual enlightenment.

Why not, they find evidence, posit a hypothesis and seek more evidence to support it.

Indeed +1 A true leader is not afraid of the moral high ground, nor do they seek to excuse their failing.

@Peterkin I'm guessing you're understanding of "forward and backward" is, forward = good and backward = bad; my point is one leads to the other and the most productive part of the political pendulums swing is in the change of direction. George Orwell had a lot to say on the subject, as did most religion's. It doesn't matter where we learn the lesson, just that we're open to be taught.

Cometh the hour cometh the man...

I call it terrifying. What will you call it? This is a better place to discuss that... https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124360-why-would-an-athiest-not-believe-in-religion/#comments

I didn't suggest the direction is wrong, just that a different direction is equally right. I mearly suggested the middle ages had a point, that we can learn from; call it what you will...

What makes you think a different direction is backward?

How much do you love them? 🤒 Because it's irrelevant, it doesn't matter how many fleas argued that the dog is their's; all that matters is, the dog's alive...

Try introducing an electric cattle fence that's disabled when the room is carbon neutral. 😉

There is and it starts with you and I, we can stop buying stuff we don't need (like plastic nik-nak's and unethical banking products) and minimise travel that we don't need or maximise human power (cycling, walking etc.), and maybe go veggie/vegan (a step to far for me); people who can afford to choose are responsible for change.

They all do, which one do you want to be true?

Still, we're on the same planet if not the same continent...

"A grain of sand is halfway in size between an atom and the planet earth"

Does that mean we can adapt our current infrastructure to accommodate hydrogen?

Way to miss the point; for instance, asking why they'd rather face that abstract threat over your abstract threat, seems more productive than just condemning their choice. You can lead a horse to water...

I think the pendulum swing's according to the demographics of society. For instance, the older we get the more Conservative we tend to become (IMHO amonst others). At some point that imbalance will inevitably correct itself, and the swing is reversed. A billionaire is no different, they milk the magic dragon until it has no choice but to bite. It's not too big, it's fundamental.

No, it depends on what you ask???

"Take the moral responsibility out of my hand's" - Jimmy Car/Jeff Bezos, while true, is a childish response to why not; how often do our children embarrass us with the simple question "why?"... Why does this political pendulum travel in this direction?

first law of what?

Why is science more interesting???

Indeed, we have to think critically about everything...

I'm not sure it can be, we've lost the ultimate sanction, god/karma etc. There's no boogeyman to intervene/explain/blame, so we're left with a moral compass that point's to the most convenient excuse to stop thinking about it. Billionaire's are bad, mkay. All I do know is, if we all don't try we'll never find out; sometimes it's important to preach, pass it on... The parable of the madman - Nietzsche

What's a normal Australian?

Am I still black?