dimreepr

Who cares who wins??? Head's I win, tail's you lose...

What is justice? That which is justifiable... You may not think so @beecee but I do get where you're coming from... It's so much more satisfying to throw the hammer away, when IT hits my thumb; it's not your fault, it's mine...

An analogy is a way to explain, by way of a story; what standing for what, is the data on which the story is based; you can't cross the same river twice, yet we do so everyday...

If you want people to be scared of prison, put them in a holiday home on their own, with no contact with the outside world, for 2 week's and ask them to imagine that for the rest of their lives. Or force the murderer to face the wrath of his victim's mother. And if neither scares them, their probably incorrigible... 😉

There you go again, arguing in bad faith; unless that's your professional opinion. Just repeating the same thing doesn't magically make it right. If the 'evil man' is in prison with no key, society is protected; that is the punishment and deterrence is irrelevant. So why does prison have to be harsh? I would argue, they have to be harsh to prevent institutionalisation. But that doesn't work, some minor criminal's have been shown to commit more crime because the outside world is much harder and scarier.

It's based on any number of sensational media story's, but you're surely not suggesting the media is without bias? The only way to avoid bias is through training, like a professional judge is given, and/or a clear insight into one's own nature

You're arguing against yourself and for my position, my 'softly softly' approach is to give everyone a chance to change; those that can't can be locked up and the key thrown, but where we disagree is, I think that's where the punishment end's because society is protected. Why do you want revenge beyond their incarceration?

Fake news, how to alter the expert...

So, let me get this straight. You're not a scientist, soft or otherwise, you're not a judge or barrister and, correct me if I'm wrong, you've never been to prison, or otherwise forced or coerced into committing a serious crime. But you are able to dismiss a professional criminologist's reasonable well evinced hypothesis, as unrealistic and unworkable, armed only with a sensational media story and your common sense, and you can tell who the incorridigles are at first glance; you must be so proud.

Fair point, a judge should be the arbiter that tells society how much to forgive, based on the facts of the case not an emotional need for revenge. Indeed, Jesus said some profound things that's why I quoted him. Holding up an example of a monster that's done monsterous thing's, is not an excuse/reason to throw stone's at an adulterer. 😉 It doesn't work, as evinced in many studies. Can I use this, in my lecture on gainsay?

indeed, but who is more qualified?

You didn't do it, is not a reason to throw; it's an excuse...

If some crimes are unforgiveable, who is to judge which crimes?

Well the fact is, he knew she was underage, he lied about that part. Luckily, your credulity isn't the only measure of an idea's merits. Strangely I do, it's actually quite satisfying when other's are reduced too gainsay and ridicule when they run out of reasonable replies... 😉 By trying to teach other's that justice is an expression of forgiveness and we all deserve to be forgiven at least once, even Frankensteins monster hoped for it. “There is no 'way to peace,' there is only 'peace.” ― Mahatma Gandhi No apology necessary, it's not off topic...

So you say...

Aren't individual's part of society?

Does it? what level of peace justifies your level of violence?

Dear Doctor, do I feel better?

Don't be so foolish, they just want to be sexy...

Just peace, I really don't care where you find it...

Define plastic. Is it a material or an attitude?

You will... “There is no way to peace, peace is the way” - Gandhi

In this case the soul is you, not something magical, if you kill a man the chances are you'll suffer PTSD; like a train driver that runs over a suicide and can never work again, despite the fact that he was not at fault and the victim wanted death, the damage is done. A friend of mine was killed by a train, it was an accident while he was green-laneing (something he loved), I don't fear for his soul...

I never said there was, it's like nirvana, it's nowhere/noplace, but you'll know it when you find it. What's the harm of looking for a better way to find it?