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Nonsense. I see tremendous beauty and feel an immeasurable sense of awe at the cosmos… and all without believing in silly human fairy tales and myths. Why do you keep posting such tripe? It’s not, though. If you’re not intentionally arguing against strawmen, then you’re showing your ignorance and lack of valid understanding of the perspective of others.

Well yeah, sure... I suppose if we ignore the rules of physics as currently understood and rely on fictional communication devices that we've just pulled out of our asses, then anything is possible.

And unless he's challenging the validity of the leading causes of death data, it's all moot anyway. The image is based on death counts and shows how the blood clot issue compares. This is why I said, "for scale and context" when posting it.

Swansont can surely explain better than me, but... The speed of light is the fastest speed there is. Even at that speed, it often takes thousands of years to reach other star systems. If we sent messages, we'd be dead before they were even received, and LONG dead (as would be our great grandchildren, great great grandchildren, and related ancestors) by the time a reply would come. Hence, conversation is more or less prohibited.

https://bfy.tw/RAHz

Source is cited within image. Image also clearly shows risk of death, not risk of clot… which even your own source confirms is low and falling lower.

Context / Sense of Scale:

sarcasm

See now why I was so glad this decade old thread with a ridiculous easily proven wrong opening premise got necro’d?

I can't disagree, and appreciate your clarification, but that's not the argument you were previously making. Thanks.

Not necessarily. Risk taking behavior is often beneficial. If one is starving, taking a risk to get food may be the difference between life and death. If one has an infant being approached by a bear, taking a risk may save the life of the child and consequently the chain of those genes. The abnormality here may actually be your desire to impose your personal opinion about what is a "valid" risk versus what is an "invalid" risk on to others, and to next claim that anyone not following your personal preferences has some sort of problem in their brain.

Of course it is. That does not, however, translate into there being "no difference" between those two events.

Even if so, it's moving the goal posts. I was discussing our understanding of safety and risk. Now Alex is referring to date of first government level approval for widespread human use (which itself only comes after many years of data and study).

Thanks for clarifying, mate. It is appreciated. It feels like maybe you're saying we should always strive to do better and avoid victimhood in all of its many forms. That's a laudable goal for sure! What I struggle with is the suggestion that there are no differences. Of course there are differences. The magnitude of the assault is different. The severity is not the same. The impact and longevity of these events far from equal... Poverty is bad and we should seek to alleviate it wherever we can. It also causes psychological trauma, but not in the same way that a brutal attack or a rape does. Prostitution often results in psychological harm, but again... not for everyone. Some women and men choose to engage in this voluntarily, are quite happy to do so, and reject these paternalistic and condescending notions that they are victims. A great many simply are not. So... we need to avoid grouping all "victims" together in one bucket. The effects a "victim" of eggs being thrown at their house are hardly equivalent in scale or magnitude to the effects of a "victim" of kidnapping, for example... even though both can be lumped into a single label... we should not conflate them all as if they are the same. Anyway... thanks for re-engaging in the discussion with a bit more clarity. It's appreciated, and I hope my post here is received with the comity with which it's intended.

The forecasting capabilities we possess tend to be LESS about whether the consequence is LT versus ST and is instead MORE about our past experiences and how those map against the current situation. Placing ones hand into a hot fire will have long-term consequences of burnt skin, scar tissue, and possible loss of function. Placing ones hand on a hot mug of tea may have short-term consequences of pain and even minor burning. Neither of these matter to the toddler who is doing either for the very first time. The LT and ST nature of the consequences can only be considered in context of past experience and learning. Memory issues, for one... given what I've shared above.

Given your neg rep to me and disregard for the thoughtful answers already provided, I’m unconvinced you truly are all ears.

We’ve been studying mRNA vaccines since 1989. The safety and risk is quite well understood, even if not by you personally.

My slack is sometimes in short supply, but I like to think I do

Great. Seems weird, and frustrating frankly. You suggested money was the only difference between prostitution and rape. Zapatos rightly said this was a dangerous position to espouse since a rapist could simply throw money at their victim and claim he was a customer. You then asked him which cost more. It was a weird question which didn’t make sense, but Zap politely shared he didn’t have experience in this space and asked you which YOU thought cost more. He was trying to progress the conversation forward. In response, you claimed money plays no part. Again, seemed contrary to your previous posts so he next asked why you were asking him which costs more, and you said “I’m not asking.” Seriously, stop playing games or don’t post if that’s not possible for you.

So, you’re evading the entire premise of his question because he didn’t use past tense? FFS

How does it compare to the control group as a baseline?

Not necessarily a bad thing since the entire premise of the thread was shit from the start, and yet despite that here we all are 4 pages later still sweeping away one ignorant dropping after another.

Use it when you want to travel quickly while resting, reading, realizing mass transit is more sustainable, etc. I love using high-speed rail when traveling for work in Europe… you sit down, view the countryside, get up and stretch, and get things done while being quickly carried to your destination.

Indeed. Sláinte!