dimreepr

Do you imagine you're any less trainable? It won't be a dead end, but it will never lead to the 'ultimate' truth... 😉 Indeed, that was my point... Any notion that we're somehow special/spiritual is purely subjective, if you want to believe otherwise, then good luck my friend, but: I've always thought that that quote should end with the word, 'honestly', just to remind the pseudoscientist's...

TBH I thought it was you that brought up the number's related objective, but OK let's bin that; what's left is objective purpose (unless you have your own definition), which, when we drill down to the fundamentals, is to continue living; but that's not a universal given for all people or creature's, some of them get the urge to shag themselves to death, they wake up one day and their purpose has changed they now fundamentally, want to die and some people chose now to end their life. Like I said, "whatever way I parse this, the answer is no."

Employer's only really care that their employees aren't sad enough to pull a sickie...

But what's left is a spiritual aspect, and there's as much evidence for that as there is for a god. My ant analogy was meant to illustrate that a simple (binary) response can give the illusion of intelligence (thinking), without a conscious mind that control's their action's. Even if we do come to understand our own consciousness, which we don't, that wouldn't be evidence of any other entity's qualification. How do you know they're not lying, or suffering from a bias they're unaware of? Just acknowledging that bias exists doesn't mean you're not free of them, it's like the oft heard excuse from someone accused of racism "I can't be a racist because my best friend is black". That's like saying, "when I'm tall enough to see out of this window, I'll be able to see the whole world." No, it basically means the potential for the right neuron to receive the message; in wiring term's, a big enough charge to bridge the gap.

And we circle back to my point, even if a computer is conscious we will never know. That's the thing about rabbit holes, they're a warren of unknowns. 😉 I think the word potential is confusing you, think of it in terms of the wiring rather than the thinking.

We're either talking past each other or you're being obtuse. I seek no objective in life, I'm happy to just sit here and think about thing's, what number would you give that? Either I'm to stupid to understand or you haven't explained it well enough, it's bad form to refuse a request for clarification. Ok, please show me the mathematics of how you would model the reality of fun? You do know that we haven't got a TOE, nor the prospect of getting one, don't you? Irony, I suspect, is just as difficult to pin down for a mathematician. 😉

Employers care, they want more natural light during working hours, all that free vitamin D makes less sad worker's... The night shift, on their own... 🤞

You're the one saying that it's off topic, why would you say that?

And you're not making any sense... It has to me... What is it I'm projecting? Whichever way I parse this, the answer is no...

That's just diving down a rabbit hole, that we don't need to explore; for instance, an ant can do some very clever thing's in real estate but it's no architect, it never thinks (as we understand it) it just processes very simple data according to a relatively simple algorithm. Trees communicate, but they never think about why... 😉

Not for everyone, that's why we're in this mess; Trump, for instance, is far more likely to spend his last day's in a comfortably warm prison cell, than fighting for the last blade of grass, as is the son he taught...

Essentially, the fall of Rome is the same as every other epoch, IOW "This too shall pass"...

Indeed we all have clocks, some of them slow and some of them fast, without them we're bloody useless at guessing/perceiving the time. Can you please clarify what the topic question actually is?

That doesn't mean its objectively measurable by anyone else. Like I said you're confusing the word, and yourself, in the context of the question asked.

My bet is, you've missed the point...

Indeed, all we got left is the brace position and the hope that it won't hurt too much...

Who, in their right mind, cares? Trump is definately 'East of Eden'...

The only problem with that argument is, that we all perceived that change at different rates, even when we're sitting on the same sofa...

It never is, nevertheless that is what it does when we think about thing's. I'm no neurologist, but that all just seems like the type of wiring needed for a neuron to do it's job. That's the spark they send (when they fire) down the wire, if you mean they have inbuilt wifi, I'm going to disagree...

Well, you could have put that a lot more concisely, 🙄 but what I took from it was, you're confused about what objective means in this context. For instance, there is no objective measure of my subjective experience, which brings us full circle, bc that is the nature of our existence. 😉

Depends on what's on it. Some stories are easier to parse in person...

Yes it does... That's the wiring, or do you think a neuron can see electromagnetism?

The complexity is the wiring not the neuron, it either fires or it doesnt as does a transistor. We don't even know if our dog's are conscious and they are basically the same way as us; AI is but a child, we can't possibly know what it will grow up to be...

A neuron still works very much like a transistor, that doesn't mean the brain is a computer, but it does mean the brain is copyable given enough transistor's wired in the right order. You should read this (or whatch the film): What would an NDE look like for a computer?

Perhaps you can provide a more concise explanation of what you are trying to say, bc what I'm getting from you is that it's subjective, which I'm pretty sure was covered on page one, what I'm not seeing is the objective part of your position. As for an example of what I mean; I don't like celery, even though it's objectively edible and that many people say it's delicious.