dimreepr

It never is, nevertheless that is what it does when we think about thing's. I'm no neurologist, but that all just seems like the type of wiring needed for a neuron to do it's job. That's the spark they send (when they fire) down the wire, if you mean they have inbuilt wifi, I'm going to disagree...

Well, you could have put that a lot more concisely, 🙄 but what I took from it was, you're confused about what objective means in this context. For instance, there is no objective measure of my subjective experience, which brings us full circle, bc that is the nature of our existence. 😉

Depends on what's on it. Some stories are easier to parse in person...

Yes it does... That's the wiring, or do you think a neuron can see electromagnetism?

The complexity is the wiring not the neuron, it either fires or it doesnt as does a transistor. We don't even know if our dog's are conscious and they are basically the same way as us; AI is but a child, we can't possibly know what it will grow up to be...

A neuron still works very much like a transistor, that doesn't mean the brain is a computer, but it does mean the brain is copyable given enough transistor's wired in the right order. You should read this (or whatch the film): What would an NDE look like for a computer?

Perhaps you can provide a more concise explanation of what you are trying to say, bc what I'm getting from you is that it's subjective, which I'm pretty sure was covered on page one, what I'm not seeing is the objective part of your position. As for an example of what I mean; I don't like celery, even though it's objectively edible and that many people say it's delicious.

No, it only allows you to measure it against a known change, but unlike like the weight of a kilo it doesn't vary with its position in space; IOW it's not a dimension itself, it's part of the description.

Of what?

The thing about bias is, intelligence has little to do with it... So, the more voters, the less we have to rely on what's considered "the light at the end of the tunnel". And consider which way the light is pointing... 😇

The scarey bit is the word 'our', bc it doesn't work for everyone... 😇

You keep prefixing your posts with the word simple, as if you are capable of doing what you suggest, and that it's only a matter of time before we can understand exactly why Tracey is a sexy bird, despite not getting the horn ourselves... I don't even understand why I had a crush on Tracey human at school, she's propper ugly now... OK, let's do that. Do you think a dog/albatross has consciousness? Some of their behaviours are hard wired into the unconscious, so we can't point to them as evidence. I think ChatGPT would have a very good chance of persuading us that it's a dog/albatross, and in ten years time I dare say also a human, convincingly; at which point, we can no longer say "that machine is not conscious", we will never know bc we are not a machine; the machine will know that it is, but can only guess if we are... 😉

So what?

This is two different questions, bc nothing happens in a vacuum (ironically).

From your link: Imagine if you could talk to an albatross directly? Would that mean you understand what is so sexy about Tracey Albatross? Even a quantum leap in the number of electrodes per neuron, 1-1, IOW, this is the neuron that went "phoar"; wouldn't explain why it thought a sexy thought. Well, I know I am bc I just had to walk to the shop to buy what I need to eat and drink today, I can reasonably assume the human shaped entities I saw doing the same, were as conscious as me; IOW I understand what it feels like to be a human bc their neurons fire in a similar way to me. From your thread: Perhaps, when we understand our own consciousness, we'll have a chance to understand what it feels like to be an albatross; only then could we have a guess at if a machine is conscious.

I dare say they'll expect it, till the day they can't, then luxury takes on a whole new meaning...

But they aren't excessive, especially now, after decades of the same mantra; it has become a cliché, because people want to believe that any extra cash in our pockets will help us, in some way; growth is not just a math/cash problem. Of course not, they think they can survive it, for a number of reason's but mostly, bc they won't be around to see it; politics 101, don't be around when the miden hits the windmill...😇

The idea that taxes can't solve a problem is demonstrably stupid, who payed NASA to go to the moon; and what was cut that stopped regular visit's? When are we (by which I mean people like you) going to realise that cutting taxes to promote growth is beyond naive, it's fucking insane; it's like the funnel of acceptance, that's taught to salespeople/banker's, "the magical cornucopia of plenty, where money is edible..."

I get the joke, but I can't help but think that even geoff norcott would say "hang on a sec, what fire??? They not in the building yet...".

Indeed, since it's not even a tangent of the topic at hand.

Indeed, hubris seeds it's own demise, Trump is just a symptom of a deep seated disease.

The real hubris of America (among others), is thinking that some people don't deserve a vote; I think populism would work fine if the populous all had a say. All democracy requires to reveal the truth of society, is everyones voice, not just those of us that think/assume we know better.

Ultimately, it's Walt Disney's fault, for making us cry when Bambi's mum was killed; he greated the algorithm. That ignores the nuances of life, in favour of a cute picture.

I can only imagine that he got hard... Which seems unlikely...

Indeed, "cometh the hour cometh the man", all we got to ask ourselves, is this really the hour; or is it sometime next week?