dimreepr

That's ironic, for some...

The oral traditions also transphered stories of moral teachings and wisdoms on how to live in their society (no doubt the details of the stories change but generally in step with the culture), over uncounted generation's, Aborigines et al, before the book belivers took over. Perhaps a calliberation would be most effect at avoiding dogmatic belief that strays from it's intened moral direction. We don't need to burn the book's, they just need a regular servicing/updating with a woke editor that can explain the changes in republican...

Thanks for your advice, but problem solved +1

I'm sure Bonnie and Clyde would agree. What's that got to do with my statement, science needs ambiguous language (sarcasm), besides what level of lie is your binary cut off point set at?

Thanks, I'll give it a go and get back to you. It worked, my great has never been so full, +1...

I did say I didn't want to get all solipsistic, but it was kinda my point throughout this thread, whilst I realise solipsism is no way to understand reality, it is a fundamental position for scientific enquiry, if one doesn't personally witness a fact/truth one is reliant on a potentially flawed editor, of knowledge, to discern a fact from a fiction. I'm not suggesting that Venus doesn't exist bc I'm not currently in orbit with eyes on, all I'm saying is, be careful when you demand that a fact is immutable bc of what you're are told, by a trusted yet fallable human.

I largely agree, but what I mean is, a book is reliant on the oral part to keep it relevant, the more generations a book skips, the greater the chance of misinterpretations, and after a few more generation's it's possible that all meaningfull knowledge/wisdom is lost.

I have a Huawie p 2019 and an old Dell running windows 10, and they refuse to sync, the HiSuite downloader runs and after troubleshooting says they're incompatible. I'm not bothered about that, other than I can't transpher my mp3 file's from my computer to the phone, which is one of the primary reasons for actually having the phone... grrr Can anyone suggest a work around, for either syncing or transferring the files, I've tried Emailing my self but I can't afford to buy enough capacity.

How many facts do you actually know? Given how much knowledge we're sitting on, can you list more than 10? I don't want to get all solipsistic, but this is a fundamental question of science/philosophy and is ill served by semantics.

There's a reason it's called a pyramid of understanding, a teacher that doesn't know how to transition between the levels, isn't a very good teacher; when I was a 7 year old child my teacher told me there's no such word as can't, when I was nine I'd learned enough to push back on that fallacy...😘

OK, so what's your point?

If history has anything to say, this is ironical since drift in meaning is inevitable once fixed, in a generation or two we don't have the relative context in order to glean actual meaning, even a roseta stone (the key) only goes so far in deciphering the code; maybe the writer had a literal lisp or did the stone carver stammer... 😉

That's been my attitude towards book's and the transfer of understanding, re, our current knowledge, I've always contended that a transfer of understanding between generations is more effective, orally, than any sort of text based transfer.

Again, it's just a guess, there is no value if it's guess doesn't please you and it's all about the "revenue"; listen to "Rage Against the Machine - Wake up" and watch the associated movie, everything is explained... 😉 If we had any sense, we'd ignore the difficulties of scaling and throw as much money at it as it takes, it'll still be a pittance compared to 'defence' spending, but imagine the effectiveness of an army of sociopath's correctly educated, not to mention lazy arseholes like me, happy to sit on my arse all day and just think about stuff... Yet none of them seems to have taught you to consider the possibility that you might be wrong? Or did you get 100% of your answer's correct, to every question asked by every teacher? Are you "that guy?" Or are you prepared to admit to being a fallable human? Some of your brethren, have done some pretty fucked up shit, bc they were in love with their AI; should we consider an intervention?

Isn't that called a proof?

TBH I think AGI is another fusion reactor, perpetually 20 years away/out of reach, and yes a seperate discussion; I think 'viral' is an apt word in this case, as in, some of us are naturally immune. There is no universal teaching system, I can't even memories my favourite limerick, but I have other skills.... Exactly, the more likely they can predict what you desire, and if what you desire is validation; there's a word for that, but it's German, "schadenfreude"...

Indeed, but you can't say it's true or a fact, that those people believed that, they may have called it two different name's, not bc they didn't know the difference but bc it represents two different times of day, as in sunrise and sunset, we don't believe there's two different sun's.

Exactly, truth and fact are both based on a believe in an honest editor/teacher, one hopes; anything human is falable...

I recently saw an FB post about a recently found quasar that formed 670 million years after the big bang with a trillion sun brightness, or mass or something, I can't find the article now. But it got me thinking, if the atoms of our universe were condensed enough, as in the very early universe, could a black hole be formed before a star has a chance to ignight, or it ignights breifly as it forms?

Wow, that's a spectacular version of rose coloured spec's, I'm sure you think you're explaining yourself, but your really not, bc repetition is pointless, as I, and, other's have already dismissed, just a reminder, your opinion is only valid through reasoned argument, not gaslighting... I get that, but again history suggests "cometh the hour cometh the man" let's hope our AI doesn't actually become an AGI, then our 'man' may struggle to teach anyone more effectively.

man fears the pyramid, time fears man The other side of that coin is, my name is ozymandias king of kings, look on ye mighty and dispare; spoiler alert man fears time, much more than a tourist attraction... 😉

But that's my point, if you don't even understand a simple brain, your AI for instance, then you won't be able to explain it to other's; think about it with an honest attempt to learn and maybe you'll understand where you went wrong... 😉 To be fair, a significant percentage of student's, throughout the age's, would cheat if they thought they could get away with it, especially with the current financial cultural pressure on them, it was ever so.

Perhaps, but not every answer...

The one thing I can't say, for certain, about @cladking is that, he's being dishonest about what he believes is true. I prefer the challenge bc I have a chance to at least steer his beliefs in a more productive direction. It seems to me were in another affect versus effect situation, I see no benefit in knowing the difference (I know what I mean)...

Whilst I agree with the differences, I contend that the post I referenced, is equally dishonest, he hasn't addressed any argument presented by the membership; just a polite excuse to leave and have the last word, I don't really see a difference in their attitude.