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  1. Ask a child why a mirror reverses left and right but not up and down. An animal that recognizes the existence of itself in a reflective surface will know "instinctively" the nature of a refection. I've come up with a few possible hypotheses for why at least three species of birds fly into mirrors, but only one seems very possible at this time; they are trying to teach themselves how to hover better and, quite possibly, so they can defend a territory. I'll be trying a few experiments and observations to try to support or deny the possibility. The point here, though is that "consciousness" exists and underlies everything from beaver fisheries to, perhaps, even pyramid construction. Why do ants leave a pile of sand around their entrances? Calling things "instinct" is not a solution to understanding how animals and humans think and behave.
  2. She sits on the window about 5" away looking at her reflection for a few seconds then flies into the mirror and then goes straight down to the ground staying only moments. This is followed by a short flight to the bottom of the hill from whence she returns after about 20 seconds and repeats the process. He mate usually watches from about 20' from a vantage on the opposite side of the vehicle and downhill. He's obviously watching her flight path rather than what seems to be her strange behavior. My understanding is cardinals don't necessarily nest in the spring and this spring has been so cold they might not be ready. I'll try to make a better observation and use some binoculars. Whatever she's thinking it's definitely the mirror that is fundamental since I've seen her flying into another one.
  3. I agree. But we can't do the latter until we do the former. It merely proves that one species has sufficiently complex language, manual dexterity, and enough understanding to create a new thing of nature; a watch or a rear view mirror. Understanding the read out of any of our watches (since the sun dial) is probably too abstract for any animal to understand. But the cardinal might understand the mirror as well as most 15 year olds.
  4. I would suggest that what we take as "self awareness" is merely a recognition of our own thinking. But all "thinking" is an abstraction based in language which is the means by which we acquire all our knowledge and the ability to think. For some unknown (to me) reason the cardinal appears to either be interested in her reflection or in streaking my car under the mirror with her waste. I seriously doubt she's "thinking" in any terms we would recognize. To understand her consciousness we must either learn the nature of consciousness or quit "thinking" in terms of self awareness or consciousness being something uniquely human. It is to be presumed cardinals have an exceedingly simple language based on their behavior. Yes, they have highly complex and "intelligent" behavior but they don't attend school or read books. They don't understand abstractions or form committees to study their problems. It seems there must be something far more fundamental to consciousness than self awareness; even more fundamental than thought or abstractions. I don't believe there is such a thing as "man made" so it follows that there is nothing in a cardinal's environment that isn't completely natural. If she weren't trying to torture my mirror there are a dozen other cars within less than half a mile. Perhaps she wants me to drive her somewhere but then this is one trick I haven't learned yet.
  5. Until there is a definition for "consciousness" we will not be able to study it or even understand whether it must be "self-aware". Then this begs the question of what is self awareness. A cardinal has been flying into the rear view mirror of my parked car for days now. Does this mean she's self aware? Was the male cardinal conscious when it stabilized a hosta stem loaded with seeds while his mate gorged a few seasons back? Any definition of consciousness that excludes living things will prove a failure to its study. Any definition of "self awareness" that applies only to humans will have no usefulness except to humans and it will provide no knowledge of consciousness.
  6. Yes. Two people engaging in different conversations is rare. The longest I ever heard was about twelve sentences. Usually it's just a very few sentences but neither notices. Hundreds of marines were killed in Normandy when their gear to scale the cliffs was insufficient for overhanging cliffs there was and is no standard means to depict these. Many times when people are supposed to meet at "midnight tuesday" they show up on different days because this is not defined. "Midnight occurs between two days and neither it nor noon is AM or PM. Nobody seems to notice these things until a walkway collapses with dozens of people and then nothing changes. Language is "confused". It works after a fashion for thought but not so well for communication.
  7. This is really remarkably simple but difficult to see. Modern language always has an ephemeral meaning because words are defined. Not only does the specific intended definition have to be parsed from context but connotations can affect how the sentence is parsed. If this isn't problematic enough most people have unique definitions of many words and whether that unique definition belongs to the speaker or the parser is irrelevant and will affect meaning in ways neither the speaker nor listener can possibly predict. But here is where Wittenstein comes in; the way our brains process information and experience is driven by language so even our intended meaning as well As the taken meaning is dependent on language as much as author intent. The long and short of it is that every listener always takes a different meaning of every utterance. We assume these are merely shades of meaning but in actuality they can be polar opposites. But we don't notice this. Two people can actually have two different conversations and walk away thinking they had just communicated with someone where there was actually no communication whatsoever; no exchange of ideas or knowledge. This is all exceedingly important because among the problems of programmed thought is the belief that we are intelligent and that this "intelligence" can be imparted to machines if they merely have a sufficient number of diodes or processors. We can teach language to a machine and it might well mimic intelligence but it will still be susceptible to the same inability to accurately communicate or to consistently come up with a correct answer except in mathematical questions. This is because no modern language is logical and meaning must be relayed as tautologies to have a fair chance at correct interpretation. There are simple steps that can be taken to mitigate or eliminate all these problems but they are not recognized so their is no will to do so. The message to the general should simply have said "attack at day break and I'll follow immediately, do not proceed without me". Generally a better solution is to limit the number of generals.
  8. Here's one you probably haven't seen; My "theory" is that math is logic quantified and reality is logic manifest. The imperfect overlap creates rounding errors, constants, and a misapplication of mathematical principles and equations to a digital reality.
  9. I once had a TV that I had needed to repair several times. Like so many such things it was highly "quirky' and required experience to even operate. When it went out "completely" the picture was replaced by two narrow horizontal lines across the center. The sound still worked so before I bought a new TV I would continue to use it once in a while for old movies or the like. One day an ad I had never seen before was on and before they said the phone number I knew what it was. It took me a while to figure out how I knew but if I looked at the bottom of the screen and quickly looked upward I'd get a pretty good image of the entire picture. So I got a piece of glass and flipped it up and down in front of the screen rapidly and it worked. I even motorized the glass for optimum viewing. I bought a new TV anyway.
  10. It's always been assumed that there wasn't a single Ancient Language as is suggested in some ancient sources and necessary for my hypotheses about pyramid construction and why the evidence hasn't been seen despite it's ubiquitousness and vast array as to type. "Proto-indo-european" languages may well have all arisen from a single vocabulary that I call Ancient Language which like animal languages was representative, digital, and lacked abstractions. There is growing reason to believe our interpretations of the oldest writing is misinterpreted and mistranslated. There is growing evidence that there was a single global language with very few words. https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23230990-700-in-search-of-the-very-first-coded-symbols/ We don't so much experience "evidence" as we see what we expect to see. Ancient people simply didn't think like we do. "the second moment after he saw N (the dead king) , the second moment after he perceived N (the dead king)." The Pyramid Texts: The Pyramid Texts: 6. Mostly Serpent Charms, Utterances 226-243 (sacred-texts.com)
  11. I heard an unsubstantiated report that a B17 flying in formation suddenly glowed and disintegrated. It was reported lost to enemy fire. I've watched for ball lightning under all sorts of conditions my entire life. Ironically I was only a few hundred yards away when a machine operator told me he had just seen what looked like a bright ball bounce off a metallic pile and then settle back and disappear.
  12. Finally something on which we can agree. If I can say that.
  13. There are numerous ways to "cheat" gravity. We can throw ourselves forward and using our legs to convert the momentum to lifting. Essentially we can use most of our muscles to lift ourselves rather than just those designed for the task. As you get older you find that such tricks are less a luxury and more a necessity. Where you were once able to leap to your feet from a prone position in one single movement you'll find that six or eight movements become needed. They say if you can get up in two or fewer movements you won't die for five years. It's been a long time though since I could do it in two. I don't believe there are "laws of physics" but I certainly believe a set amount of work is required to left weight and this amount is fixed. Efficiency can vary widely though no matter what means is employed.
  14. I can not properly address these questions in someone else's thread. I have threads around in which I'd be happy to address them. So far as ancient technology; it is everywhere. They didn't invent agriculture based on Darwinian beliefs. They didn't use first year physics to calculate the ideal angle for "ramps". They made fantastic shapes like the tri lobed disc of Sabu by unknown means and for unknown reasons. While they had almost no words in their language most of the nouns (which all invention would need) have no known referent. It is hardly logical to assume they lacked sophistication and used primitive means when the artefacts are mostly mysterious. This goes many times over since most of the surviving artefacts are stone clearly implying objects made of more perishable materials are lost. Other than a few lines from Sumeria that Might be more hyperbole and fiction than reality there is no recorded history from prior to 2000 BC. All this missing writing about science, technology, and history are necessary to understanding ancient technology. Ancient technology may be only explicable in terms of ancient science and this does not survive. Instead we have mostly incomprehensible writing like the "book of the dead" from many centuries after the invention of writing, the advent of history, or the end of the era after which all these mysteries and artifacts arose. How did ancient people before written history exist? How did they survive and most importantly, how did they accumulate the knowledge which is clearly evident in archaeological excavations? This is the question here.
  15. Yes!!! We are exceedingly arrogant. We see our beliefs preferentially to everything and mistake these beliefs for omniscience.
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