dimreepr

Within the confines of being human; no two bat's are the same but they're all bat's. Of course I would pity you; you can't find peace in forgiveness.

Wow, that's so profound, I'll have to reconsider my whole approach. 🙄 Why do we need [1]punishment? When 2 and 3 are adequate for justice to prevail?

Not all, but then I never said that (cough-strawman-cough)... As with my pitbul analogy, most of them are only dangerous when given the wrong training (you seem to have agreed with that), the rest of them are dangerous because they have some sort of mental illness (which is not their fault); All of them deserve my pity. Can you provide evidence that that's not equally true of humans?

@beecee And I think that attitude damage's society, because if we don't consider the criminal's as victim's too, then we just discard otherwise useful member's of society with little to no sympathy- -For the damage that system did to them; making them suffer for being poor or in a minority, and creating crimals from otherwise decent people. It takes nothing away from the victim, to give the perp the same consideration. Maybe you should take another look at that video I posted about the need for prisons.

Your edit doesn't alter my reply, neither does the rest of it. Please try again, precisely which part of which statement contradicts the other...

I see no contradiction in those statement's, please elaborate.

I've never agreed "that there are evil bastards and incorridgible criminals", I think, a very small minority of people have done evil thing's, but I don't agree that it makes them inherently evil or incorridgible, even if they show (to your mind) no signs of remorse. I do agree that we need 'A' prison, but my version is, no doubt, far removed from what you think it should be; mine would be more like a secure holiday home, where we attempt to either, cure them, or failing that, secure them and I think if a cure is definitely not possible, then killing them is justifiable. All other prison's, I beleive, are not only not necessary but actively damaging to society. But they come at it from very different political culture's: Japan, very conservative and generally happy while in close proximity to other's. Norway, very liberal and used to their own space. UK, USA, not really sure and generally hate close proximity to 'others'; that's why we like prison's.

Of whom?

When did I suggest otherwise; the problem is, people like to use that as an excuse to prevent a better society. A lion isn't evil, even a man killer; that it has to be killed, doesn't prevent nirvana, your fear does. Just because we have prisons, doesn't mean they're needed... Really, we still need the planet to live on...

Do we? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aboriginal_culture#Customary_law We are so caught up with protecting ourselves from violence and theft, we forget to consider that that protection involves violence, and theft from other's. If you feed a lion, it doesn't need to kill you; put it in a cage and you give it another motive.

Because they're more comfortable now... History is just another example, of a less efficient system; but we're much more clever now...

Yet they build them, into the course... Go figure...

How do you know what they desire; you haven't walked a step in their shoe's, much less a mile? Being easy has no part to play in justice; it's much easier and cheaper to just kill those we disaprove of... "None shall pass"

I'm not sure what you're saying, please elaborate, before I pass "Judgement"... 😉

I said I had a bad rep for a reason, that I'm not proud of; I put a smaller kid than me in hospital, with the nearest weapon to hand, just for calling me name's; he wasn't lucky enough to be 'nuggety'. I wasn't lucky enough to grow up in a violence free enviroment (many of my peers actually congratulated me), but I was lucky enough to learn from my brutality. That's why I limited my reparation to just protecting the bullied with friendship, one less person to suffer and one less person to be trained to inflict suffering.

That's precisely my point, the people you call incoridgable have to be encouraged/trained in bad conditions and uncaring trainer's; the lucky people/dog's live where they're trained to be good dog's/citizens. I have as much pity for my fellow man as I do for a mistreated canine.

Indeed, captain hindsight is always right...

History, suggest's, there is something to be learned...

Indeed, until they're taught otherwise; why else do the privileged restrict their education? And pretend it's a meritorious society...

A trained pitbull fighting dog shows no remorse, but given the horrific nature of their training, they deserve my pity and the opportunity (love) to have a better life. Lucky you, I was luck too, I had a very bad rep at school and all the bullies left me well alone. But not everyone is capable of dishing out their own justice. You're letting your bias show; perhaps think about it from a different viewpoint/perspective, turning the other cheek is necessary for that. Don't I get a say, it is my topic? Because you don't have too, again you lucky duck. Don't you think the people less fortunate than you deserve protection? That's why, at school, I befriended the most bullied among us, so as to extend my privilege, too them. I think that policy should extend to everyone in our society, after all the pitbulls training is basically an extreme regime of being bullied... 😉

We're going round in circle's, precisely because you let your imagination dictate your empathy; all I'm doing is suggesting, we're all capable, given the right (by which I mean correct/unfortunate) condition's, of being a nasty perp/terrorist. Try imagining, what the right/correct/unfortunate condition's would drive you to commit a crime or become a freedom fighter? I very much doubt that you would EVER consider yourself to be a terrorist... 😉 It's only a model...

We're no less dead... Much like an accident in a custard factory... Are we really considering a more efficient explosion?

Did anyone consider, the Taliban are true to their word?

Efficiency is not the issue, we have more than enough sunlight (and wind) to produce enough hydrogen to fuel every car on the planet. And every hydrogen fuelled car, when not used to travel, can power a household. So while we wait for fusion to catch up and rescue us, we rely on a less efficient method... No more than sitting on a petrol tank...

There is no justice, there's just us... Forgiveness isn't about what they deserve, it's about what we deserve, and the best chance of your victim recovering from her ordeal is to forget about the perp and let other's deal with him; with compassion initially, if that doesn't bear fruit and he/she truely is incorrigible, then by all means throw away the key; in fact string em up I say, that's probably kinder... Now who's being presumptive, all I've said is, start by considering them both as victim's. It's you that wanted to give more consideration to one side and unbalance the scales. Justice for all under the law, is the target for every civilised society; I don't know if that's achievable when so many are persuaded to seek revenge on a freedom fighter, because we're told that they're terrorist's, by the law maker's or The Daily Mail. It's not a coincidence that I referred to "The Holy Grail"... 😉