dimreepr

That assumes it's awareness is the same as ours, but how could it be? I can't understand how a bat can see with it's ears, because I use mine to hear with; there is no relative position to inform my understanding.

We're all, well most, talking past each other on this; I'm not saying that trans athletes can't have an advantage or that further regulation's/categories shouldn't be introduced to level the playing field, but there will always be outliers in any given sport. As in my example of Jonah Lomu (the England rugby captain called him a freak), but if IRC, NZ didn't win that world cup because other team's worked out a way to play them. My point has always been let them play first and then work out why/if it's unfair and adjust the field accordingly. Is the treatment of Castor Semenya fair? It's like asking Usain Bolt to wear a hobble...

Fair point.

OK, with that well thought out arguement, I'm getting off this merry-go-round, I'll leave you with this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)

It's far more nuanced than that... Information... Does it matter where it comes from?

Isn't it more a question of grip? A tank track is an expression of an enormous wheel or a large number of wheel's; if the torque is distributed evenly then every wheel has an even chance to move.

They're just going to wriggle, maybe you can interpret/understand what they said...

I wonder if the evidence will ever be convincing enough to declare sentience, for instance, what answer would be required to the question "what are you?"...

And round and round we go. There will always be someone who has an advantage in any given sport, Jonah Lomu for instance. As long as they don't cheat to gain that advantage they should be allowed to play, it's only when they cheat that it becomes unfair; we can mitigate against that with regulation, but it's never going to be perfect. Just because you suspect one trans athlete's motive's, doesn't give you the right to condemn them all; sport is an artificial simulation of life and we all have a right to play, prior to a conviction.

Indeed +1, that debate goes to the heart of my question... why is western philosophy, more productive?

I think we tend to get confused about the term's of civilised and advancement; we have better gadgets therefore we're more advanced (better, cleverer). I think we should investigate that assumption because they're not equal. I chose the ancient Greeks because they built their civilisation on the back of slaves, we just call them the poor.

Why are we more civilised than the ancient greeks?

I wonder, what is the topic...

No, it's because stoned, is an excuse to your preferred state...

When are we going to step into our utopian uplands?

Indeed, I'm always assumed to be stoned; it's very frustrating...

Indeed, but why assume they aren't? It reminds me of the impact of Jonah Lomu

Think you know your nuts...

Indeed, but it's been suggested several time's in our history, mostly by religion's; I often wonder when/if we're going to learn...

Indeed, like so many adults who attack Gretta, personally, for pointing out the obvious; because they can't be bothered to make a few adjustments. People tend to be lazy and shy away from anything that threatens their comfort; so, if they can kick the can down the road, they will, because it's easier (and even if their looking down the barrel, it's easier to just run and hide). So all we're left with, is the hope that our children will sort it out for us; but we're angry when they try... Because it's more profitable. Money is a strange concept, it's meant to make it easier to exchange what we have for what we need, yet all we care about is what we have, rather than what we need. Go figure...

The trick is, to accept the result... 😉

I wish I could; but you're equating ethic's with philosophy...

Aren't we visited by that everyday? We're more advanced than yesterday, because we have mobile phone's now... Why would it take an alien, to find the flaw in that logic?

That's not possible, someone will allways have an advantage; all we can do is, play the game and accept the result...

Shouldn't that care extend to everyone; even if we don't like their choices? If someone feels the need to cheat, to win; I think they need even more care, than someone who just wants to play the game...