dimreepr

My bad, sorry... It takes a while to switch between hypothetical's.

Yes, Ignore it...

So do people, but what ruler can guarantee justice for the average person? For me he mostly said "stop worrying about thing's you can't control." But if you were a contempory and understood what he said, then I will stop and obey you, but what will we tell the children? I've always thought that John the Baptist taught Jesus, but Jesus had better PR skills...

That's the point of my other, evidence based speculation; you can't possibly know how this planet will evolve, much less an alien world. In your speculation it is assumed that advanced civilisations catagory has a limited membership, based on one data set; that's not reasonable speculation, that's belief in how special we are.

You're conflating speculation with evidence, however reputable the source, it is only a best guess based on us and our computer's (which won't have the same protocols as an alien computer). The actual evidence here on earth is, we have yet to have meaningful communications with any other animal, so it's reasonable for me too similarly speculate, admittedly more pessimistically, but then this is a discussion site.

https://www.newswise.com/articles/difficulties-in-communicating-with-aliens

The problem only really exists because we chose to write it down, it just creates the vultures who pick over the carcass of meaning; an oral education is much more meaningfull, because the transaction of information takes place in the current culture. What is the cental concept? I'm with you, there is no god; but why do you suppose, we needed to invent one? You're missing the point, every one knows what he wrote, but only a few contemporaries understood what he said...

To your mind, which thought is fanciful? The fact that we can't predict next year's weather, with any accuracy. The fact that a change in the initial conditions requires a new prediction. Or the fact that predicting evolution is similarly constrained.

well someone, literally started the legend...

The problem with that aproach, in this case, is like meteorology, the further you get from the initial conditions the less accurate the forcast; it's only the time-frame that's different, 1,000 generations = a day's weather = very accurate, 10,000 generations = a week = reasonably accurate, 100,000 generations = a month = not very accurate, 1,000,000 = a year = no accuracy. I mean I base my conclusion's on the evidence of this, and many other pages of our interactions. I'm not pretending to be a scientist or a philosopher; just saying what I see... You reject all reasonable/difficult question's by refusing to answer them, you counter reasonable arguments with gainsay, or any available fallacy, just to be right; and you claim it's me that's pretending... I don't deny the potential of a rudimentary understanding between alien's, especially if they are just like us; what I deny is, communication will be easy. Show me an example of Dr Dolittle and I'll show you an example of spiderman... 😉

And no player is a saint...

Why does it matter? If we accept the argument that someone knew better, why does he have to exist?

Indeed... The problem with science in answering this type of question is, it has all of history to learn from and just a few seconds to extrapolate into the future. Indeed, how would we communicate with them? I know I have many short coming's, but I am a human and not a saint; like you... 🙄

Hmm, where to start... I've never said I was the first to bring up octopuses (yet another example of you not actually reading my post), I said I mentioned them as an example of the difficulty in communicating with an alien species, but instead of addressing that point you drag us down this off topic pointless tangent; while simultaneously demonstrating my point, we're both human and speak the same language and even we can't have a meaningful conversation. Just because the conditions on earth now, seemingly won't allow a space fairing alien with a tomatoe/octopus as an ancestor, doesn't mean it's impossible on a different planet with the right conditions (like I said every generation is a new hand and every planet is a different game); correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the point of this topic/thought experiment? The rest of the vitriolic diatribe, is yet another example of your condescending nature; all I ask is you actually read my post's and think about it, rather than just seeking an excuse that makes you right; and no, I'm not saying I am.

As a teacher, I give you the means to understand our history... how many words does it take to understand?

An analogy is a means of conveying understanding through a shared experience, if you can't play poker then we don't have a shared experience and communication is probably less possible. You say impossible, while admitting the possibility, I have, and the word 'probably' leaps out and ties in with my analogy... It's a leap of faith that the next hand, will be the nuts; there's no way to be sure, even if you're the dealer... The thing your missing is, tomorrow is not the same as today and never will be, every day is a different hand with a different outcome. Your bluff is self evidently, not a fact... An analogy is a means of conveying understanding through a shared experience, if you can't play poker then we don't have a shared experience and communication is probably less possible. You say impossible, while admitting the possibility, I have, and the word 'probably' leaps out and ties in with my analogy... It's a leap of faith that the next hand, will be the nuts; there's no way to be sure, even if you're the dealer... The thing your missing is, tomorrow is not the same as today and never will be, every day is a different hand with a different outcome. Your bluff is self evidently, not a fact...

In a conversation yes/maybe, but how can I anticipate your question's?

The bottom line is, we all started in the same place; change the place and who knows what will happen. Maybe a space fareing 'alien' tomatoe... 😉

What did plants evolve from?

Way to miss the point, yet again; all life, that we know about, has evolved from plant's... Let me extend the poker analogy, every generation is a different hand and every hand is your chance to hit a royal flush, but if you don't hit it on the flop we get two more chances to tell the other player's. But unaware of your prejudice of me, don't worry you're not alone, most of us are unaware of our personal bias'.

What is the value of zero?

Some of us aren't lazy, some of us just aren't capable; I couldn't write an essay if my life depended on it. But I can string together a number of quotes with a coherent, if brief, explanation.

They/you are probably right, as thing's stand; but think of life as a more complicated version of Texas holdem poker. You're holding pocket aces, I'm holding ace and 2 of spades, and the flop is 10 and 7 of spades and an ace of hearts, as thing's stand you're holding the nuts, but there's 2 more card's to play. Let's ask the OP @Moontanman if I've answered his question? Exactly, he/she could wag their tail; but couldn't tell you a tale