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  1. Here's a neat idea of a group that goes and has open dialogues with church members and communities. No mission to convert, just to talk. What do you think? Is this all it takes to free the minds of our worlds populace from the (IMO) delusion which is religious belief and to break the spell? After all, isn't that largely what we do online in fora just like these?

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  2. Started by bob000555,

    I've developed a new argument for the nonexistence of god, which is really just a refinement of the argument from evil to get around some of the more common objections which have to do with the peculiarities of the word "evil." This could be called the argument form the imperfection of the universe, since even if human experience was to be made incrementally better, the argument could be reiterated with that incrementally better universe ad infinitum. The only universe in which the argument would not work would be a universe where humans' experience of the universe was infinitely good. Put another way, we can know that there is no being which has both omnipotence and omni…

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  3. If you've never seen this then I highly recommend a viewing! It's excellent! About: The Enemies of Reason is a two-part television documentary, written and presented by evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, in which he seeks to expose "those areas of belief that exist without scientific proof, yet manage to hold the nation under their spell", including mediumship, acupuncture and psychokinesis Part 1: Slaves to Superstition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1N1bGH1gb8 Dawkins points to some of science's achievements and describes it as freeing most people from superstition and dogma. Picking up from his superstition-reason distinction in The Root of All Evil? (while …

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  4. ST. MALACHY O’MORGAIR, ARCHBISHOP OF ARMAGH, IRELAND St. Malachy (1049 - 1148) was an Irish Bishop, prophet, and seer, who prophesied the reign of future popes by a one-sentence verse to describe each popes’ characteristics. St. Malachy one sentence prophecies of 112 popes in succession all have a direct connection to each pope. The full prophecy can be viewed at the following web page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes The final two prophecies are , and what do they signify? 111 Glory of the olive. Benedict XVI (2005–present) Joseph Ratzinger Chose the name Benedict after St. Benedict who started the Benedictine orde…

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  5. Started by MonDie,

    There is an older thread on this subject. Although I appreciate the posts of LimbicLoser, I doubted that I would spark fresh discussion by posting there, ahead of LimbicLoser's series of posts. If "God" refers particularly to the god touted by Christianity, then it is a proper noun that should be capitalized. However, dictionary.com says "God" refers to "the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe." This definition gives the word a less focused sense, but it still seems to grant the word proper noun status for two reasons: there can only be one supreme being because "supreme" is a superlative. its use of the word "the" implies that God is the onl…

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  6. Started by Phi for All,

    I've mentioned several times that faith, to me, is a form of belief that requires unquestioning adherence and unshakeable commitment. People who consider themselves very devout followers of their religion often talk about the strength of their faith, and how it's like a comforting rock of solid footing in the stormy sea of Life. In marketing (stay with me), we often take the weakest flaw in a product or service and paint it as one of our strongest points. Dick's Last Resort, a restaurant chain that despaired of ever finding a non-obnoxious waitstaff, eventually embraced the weakness and started hiring purposely obnoxious people and made it a convention for their whole…

  7. Started by lightburst,

    Half-believe is NOT a technical term. I argue that religious people do have it in them that their faith is not as real as they tell it to be, that their faith is not as real as reality is real. Committing a sin which damns a person to hell for all eternity is a bit low priority from any other type of (physical) harm. Hey, we panic more from someone breaking something in their body than seeing somebody on an all-out sinning-spree. At least, I haven't met anyone who actually behaves as though divine punishment is as good as any, even trivial, real world dangers/pain/harm. Even my extra religious friends whom I've seen cry and be emotional in church (the whole sheb…

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  8. I think so. I'm agnostic being open to the concept of god but skeptical of their being one. Although if their is a god, I'm sure its something a lot more sophisticated than our brains are able to comprehend Could god be everything together in the universe acted together as a collective conscious? Quantum physics shows us that particles can retain information. What if everything together right down to quarks, energy, radiation, etc is collectively god? I'm not saying their is a god, or even if their is one I doubt we could even grasp the slightest notion of what god is. I just don't think mixing god with science is out of the answer and wante…

  9. For all energy there is negative energy. For example, if I dig a hole I will end up with the pile and the hole. The pile represents energy and mass and the hole represents negative energy. The equation is extremely simple. 1+-1 =0 If everything adds up to nothing, we don't need a God to create anything.

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  10. Started by farzad didehvar,

    Is thinking or any mental activity is just in linguistic level? Some thinks so, but I think even in simple examples there are mental activities which contradicts it.When you see a clock to know time, there is a lag of time to understand it as a mental activity.For sure, that mental activity is not in linguistic level, although it ended in a liguistic level, when you know realy what time it is. Clock and time are limited subjects, seemingly some has some experiences about the concepts around infinity, such that the same process of the example of clock(a limited subject)is not able to be ended to a linguistic level, and if we say some possibly logically we fall in c…

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  11. http://www.wired.com/magazine/2012/02/ff_jerusalemsyndrome/all/1

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  12. Started by Ben Banana,

    Wikipedia tells a story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Simon_Laplace#I_had_no_need_of_that_hypothesis

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  13. I know it's an agressive title but here's the thing; Whenever you get a God bothere in discussion and explain how it's utterly obvious that the world is billions of years old and how you can test the theory of evolution they are sooooo deliberatly ignorant and uncomprehending that it's either that they are lying or they are more thick than I can grasp. I don't know which is worse. I would welcome some other less nasty take on it. I have a very low impression of my fellow man but would like to hold a better one.

  14. You're an hypocrite, I am telling you its not too late either find yourself an another religion or just be an atheist, there is nothing wrong with it but please don't distort the doctrines of Buddhism. http://www.dharmadownload.net/pages/english/Natsok/0010_Teaching_English/Teaching_English_0074.htm If you don't know what happens between the time after your death and your next rebirth then read the above teachings of bardo, saying that there is no mystic force is off the mark by a long way. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------…

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  15. Started by immortal,

    I have been ridiculed, mocked, banned and called delusional here and in other forums every time I bring up this issue and other orthodox religions have demonized us and treated like devil worshippers even though there is no concept of devil in our religion. I guess I'm counting my days here. What's ironic is that in this part of the world this religion is the orthodoxy but the rest of the world sees us as heretics, I wonder who is delusional, therefore the suppression of this religion seems to be a cultural one rather than having any basis on theology. Don't tell me how I need to interpret my own religion - Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism. Its silly and pointless …

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  16. Started by agachak,

    according to science all started from BIG BANG and in bibble read at first page let there be LIGHT same thing ?and koran it says respect thisman (jesus) dont that support theory of jesus and then from jesus to muhammed evrybody know bible exists true right? but haveu ever consider apostolhave written that book with 100% possibility and they told from jesus and from that book and from their descendant came cristianity all those thing are facts so dontit lead jesus existed same time as apostolls wrote bible and so is indeed real person to klanynos could be true or not because cristicany existed inin ancient rome abot few years after birth of jesus

  17. Started by agachak,

    according to teaching of cristiany jesus died in cross to save us from sin? has any body thought he might not liked it much or done it at freewil al knows he prayed from his father to hellp him just before judas the betrayal sold jesus to hiss eneymys so basicly why hell do we worship cross as memory that he died because us and not because ANTICRIST judas, and dont that we belive that jesus died at cross because us aint it smallll mistake sory for mispellings

  18. Honestly, beheading infidels shouting the name "Allah O Akbar" and releasing videos of that over the internet to threaten all the pagans and infidels falls under the definition of religion according to you? I asked where does religion stop women from taking up higher university education and not what some people do in the name of religion, the latter doesn't fall with in the definition of religion.

  19. Started by JrPahoodneyMan,

    The Partial Evolution Theory I think that only humans evolve. This I say because if you look at the Bible, one of the highest treasures of the Christian religion, it says in one verse something like "every animal to its own kind." Now think you think about it, what if this applies to evolution itself? Did God give us an evolution only obtainable through the human form? Anyways, if you mix all of the human gene pools, you will probably get a grey skin tone. If you give people foods that don't require chewing, eventually they will adapt to where they don't have teeth anymore. If they get used to artificial gravity, their bodies will get smaller because they don't nee…

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  20. Started by aqualights,

    Prehistoric species of man had no idea of god or religion as it is today. Evidence shows that the very first religious signs were intentional burials of Neanderthals with their goods in the Middle Paleolithic period up to 300,000 years ago. The history of religion is as amazing as it is full of violence. It evolved from simple burials, to rituals, cults, and finally into organized religion as we have today. If Maslow’s hierarchy is to be considered, there should be no need or reason to have religion (in any of its forms) without fulfilling the physiological and safety needs of early human species. This can explain the late appearance of organized religion begging with the…

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  21. Started by tar,

    This is sort of a personal post, but involves science and humanism directly, and might be worth discussing. I was challenging the methodology, and exploring the implications of a study ydoaPs linked (10,000 times) and was charged with strawmaning, reading things into what he was saying, not reading I paper I was not subscribed to and ultimately unfriended by ydoaPs and two others. I do not have many friends to begin with, so I took a significant hit. From both secular leaning and religosity leaning friends. I had never before been befriended, so it left me a little bewildered as well, as I was not smart enough to catch whatever stupidity it was that I exhibited. …

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  22. I'm starting to believe that Satan (also called the Devil) has much more control in the universe than God. And it actually makes sense. So many people are suffering and dying or in terrible pain. And that's exactly what Satan wants. Satan always wanted to oppress human souls and to take away our rights and he is so powerful that there is nothing we can do against him. So maybe Satan is actually more in charge of things in the world and not God. Just food for thought.

  23. Many atheists say that God is just evil or maybe he just doesn't exist because of the great injustices in the world. Personally I think that if God exists then he must be evil. I mean why else would God ignore suffering, poverty and injustice? Also the existience of hell would be the worst thing possible. No contest. Any god that would allow something like that to exist is evil. Immoral. Corrupt. Whichever adjective is needed to convey that whatever Deity is okay with an eternal hell no matter the person is a <profanity removed> of the highest order. Save me a seat if needed. http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.co.il/2007/01/how-many-has-god-killed-complete-list.…

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  24. Is it possible that Gods and Aliens really walked the Earth and that modern humans really are the descendants of these ancient gods and aliens? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts

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  25. Started by ydoaPs,

    Here's my anti-Kalaam argument. If you think of a nifty name for it, let me know. I may work on it and submit it to one of the undergrad paper contests. (1) If a causal agent A causes object O to begin to exist, then A stands in a prior temporal relation to O with respect to A's proper time. (2) If an object exists at all points in time, then nothing stands in a prior temporal relation to it. (3) The universe exists at all points in time. (4) Therefore, nothing stands in a prior temporal relation to it. (5) Therefore, there exists no causal agent that caused the universe to begin to exist. Premise (2) and (3) are true by definition. So, the only premise …

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