elidyrendithas

What is the role of the United States in the world?

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After the Cold War, what is the U.S. role on the planet? World police? A single country can not do that. The U.S. depend of other countries economically (globalization). Defender of freedom and democracy? It will be? Or defender of the economic interests of the United States. And China that should lead the East, but before China needs to be democratic. What is the U.S. role in the world? The U.S. is just one more.
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Laughing stock - except for the lard-assed imbecile having access to WMD.

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What sort of question is that? What is any country's role in the word? Does it need to be anything than to exist under good conditions?

27 minutes ago, elidyrendithas said:

Defender of freedom and democracy?l]

lol

27 minutes ago, elidyrendithas said:

After the Cold War, what is the U.S. role on the planet? rl]

Are you implying that it was something higher than that prior to the cold war? I hate to break it to you, but it really is just a country. A wealthy and successful one, but just a country like any else nonetheless.

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3 minutes ago, Lord Antares said:

A wealthy and successful one, but just a country like any else nonetheless.

Wealthy for few people,

and

successful only for few people..

 

IMHO if your total debts >= total assets, you're not wealthy..


At the same time, one of the largest number of prisoners and one of the largest number of homeless people from the all western countries..

 

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1 minute ago, Sensei said:

Wealthy for few people,

and

successful only for few people..

The common folk are still more well off than in the majority of countries. Therefore, comparatively wealthy.

I'm talking about the general success of the country; what it has achieved through history, not what individuals might have achieved.

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USA

Setting example of democracy for the rest of the world ...

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1 hour ago, elidyrendithas said:

what is the U.S. role on the planet?

scapegoat

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1 hour ago, Lord Antares said:

I'm talking about the general success of the country; what it has achieved through history, not what individuals might have achieved.

It's result of Europe shooting in the head, and destruction of countries in I world war, and then repetition in II world war.

European countries were more successful and more wealthy than US prior I world war.

That's why it's important to not repeat it yet again. Divided Europe sooner or later will end up in yet another war. Therefor it's important to keep integrity, friendly relationship and partnership between EU countries. Currently in EU countries there are appearing nationalists, populists, which want to take over power in countries and destroy their countries (lying and fooling people that it's for their good), destroy EU from inside. They are paid well, supported well, (obviously unofficially) from the east..

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I think the Cold War is not over, but it has changed; the competition is tougher now. IMO both Asia and Europe are pulling ahead of the US economically, and the US is foolishly spending too much on fancy weapons. Even with current US expenditures, China can build a military stronger than the US if they need to; though, it will take years. Since the powers in the US are resisting some efforts to modernize, especially schools and green energy, the US may fall further behind economically than it is now. Finally, the US government is so corrupt, it has no moral high ground, and it seems to have only bluff or war to offer the world.

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The role of any country is what it chooses it to be, presuming it has the resources and tenacity to realise that role. At present the goal appears to be make reality TV reality.

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 The USA is a parasitic bully, does anything for the dollar including destroying the world if necessary, based upon an economic philosophy of short term  gain, under the guise of a pretended good will. This is not to say that the people want this, but are easily manipulated into acting against their own interests by shallow and very obvious propaganda. by the government and corporate entities. This is not to say that this country hasn't done good in the world, but only when "good" coincides with economic gain, such as our involvement in WW2, the shining example and perhaps the only justifiable war since 1812 within the many acts of barbarism committed around the globe. These imperial acts include the murder of 250,000 people in the Phliiapeans, theft of Hawaii, theft of Cuba, theft of half of Mexico, theft of all Native lands worth stealing, theft of Africa of millions into the slave trade. And more fake wars in recent years based upon falsified evidence such as Vietnam, and more recently Iraq. I don't want to leave out the subversions of the governments in Chile, the central american countries, destruction of the democracy in Iran in '53, at the behest of British Petroleum under Churchill in order to control their oil supply by installing the Shah, a brutal dictator The list of atrocities is not complete, I suggest you verify these listed,  and then research the details of others. It is all public information and not difficult to do. 

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having said all that....we are arguably still the best country in this world, and that point is well taken, as all humanity is represented here with all the little problems delivered to us by the forces of evolution to grow bigger brains and we are slowly succuming to our ability at high levels of intellectual thought, as we have artificially extended the ledge we have been driven to by mostly instinct. We have gotten away with this until the population has risen to an unsustainable level. We as a society have the usual "social entropy" of all countries, that is a cleansing of the heroic war component of history, and a deliberate forgetting of the even more horrible parts. This deliberate forgetting is analogous to physical entropy as a supposed inevitability, so just "go along" with the general llow is the social norm. This is the main way we are deceived by the equating of the two, and the more you know about entropy and it's various form in the physical world, the more it seems not true. Just because the term is rather a recent one, the underlying paradigm was always there, as most countries self destruct. Another facet of this whole mess, is that wars are somewhat a desirable thing, they lower the local populations and the "fog of war" is a huge cloud under where both men and women get away with sexual crimes, in the normal sense of the word, as defined by the conventions of the time. Make America great and go out and grab some unwilling pussy...

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51 minutes ago, hoola said:

having said all that....we are arguably still the best country in this world, 

What on Earth do you mean by "best"? Best for what? Size of prison population? Number of people shot per day? Percentage of population who believe in creationism? Knowledge of world geography? Standard of literacy? Quality of TV? Size of pornography industry?  What are your criteria?

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What is the purpose of life? The same question applies to all nations as they too are living beings composed of many living beings, who are in turn composed of many more living beings. The question you should be asking is not what purpose something serves, but what it has accomplished. The United States has put men on the moon, developed a deterrence against massive scale conflict, attempted to provide the world's populace with the ability to choose, and has cured many diseases and helped curb the spread of many incurable ones. I daresay the heat which this nation catches is far too much for what it has accomplished in three hundred short years, it has made invaluable contributions to humanity, and though nothing is without it's cost, the majority of it's populace wants the advancement of science and the arts. Do not forget that to give oneself wholly to fury or prejudice in interest in defeating an enemy is to betray wisdom, as you can no longer see the full nature of your enemy. The best way to defeat an adversary is to remove yourself from the situation through contemplation and then decide what to do. If you are truly enemies of the United States so be it, but do not think that this nation has bought what they have cheaply, and do not think that everything that you hear from another person is true. The only thing that cannot deceive you is yourself. 

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3 hours ago, hoola said:

having said all that....we are arguably still the best country in this world, and that point is 

Hard to accept in a country that has no viable health care system for all its citizens. And of course it all depends on what one chooses as  reasons for making a country a candidate for best country in the world...financial wealth, longevity of life, gender equality, education, adequate welfare system, and of course its health care system. Australia ranks high in all those qualities and has the best beaches in the world, mild winters, hot Summers, easy  going relaxed people, rich in necessary mineral and other resources and a stable Westminster style government.  We also have a rich diversified cultural mix. We also have needed to defend our country during the second world war along with the help of the US and have never baulked at playing our part in other areas of hostility throughout the world.  

On the other side of the coin, like the USA, after European settlement, the indigenous population were treated poorly and in many cases with cruelty and absolutely no consideration of their culture. Thankfully in recent times that has changed and some repatriation has and is taken place.

Best country in the world?? While many could fit that bill, I'll stick to the land down under at this time.

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yes, best in the world is an overstatement at the present time, with our bill of rights still holding despite efforts to effectively rid them.   And I did say "arguably the best" knowing full well of the horrible contradictions, yet considering other country's histories (of which they tend to not advertise either), we have been better than most, most of the time.

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2 hours ago, hoola said:

yes, best in the world is an overstatement at the present time, with our bill of rights still holding despite efforts to effectively rid them.   And I did say "arguably the best" knowing full well of the horrible contradictions, yet considering other country's histories (of which they tend to not advertise either), we have been better than most, most of the time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not overly critical of the US, [other then what I have stated and their present leadership]  at least no more than my own country and how shabbily it treated the indigenous original inhabitants. Realistically the US, Australia, New Zealand, the UK and Canada, are all developed Western cultures that are generally regarded as sharing certain fundamental political scenarios, including those of democracy, the rule of law, human rights, development, and basic equality. We could also include many European countries in that group and also Japan. That in general, makes them desirable for living a reasonable comfortable life. Australia has much to thank the British for, and also the USA who we did turn to for our defence in WW2, particularly with the Battle of the Coral sea.

The advantages of Australia imo though is that we share our borders with no other...We are one continent divided into six states and a territory, around the same size as mainland USA and a population of 25 million. 

 

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10 hours ago, beecee said:

The advantages of Australia imo though is that we share our borders with no other...We are one continent divided into six states and a territory, around the same size as mainland USA and a population of 25 million. 

 

That size comparison is a bit unfair, considering that 70% of Australia is semi-arid or desert. (Or were you taking that into account?) 

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8 hours ago, DrKrettin said:

That size comparison is a bit unfair, considering that 70% of Australia is semi-arid or desert. (Or were you taking that into account?) 

A valid question of course, but one could ask if that will necessarily will always be the case.      I'm not sure.

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