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what about virtual particle pairs, appearing as "the flux". If they manifest as tiny exclusion zones, wouldn't photons have to deviate around them, causing a physical extension of the true distance between points, due to these path deviations that become more than trivial when considered in vast distance?

or the same thing with dark matter for the culprit. Until we know more about either, can they be ruled out? Could it be the underlying mechanism of one or both functions?

What if dark energy is the overall reaction mechanism to a light beam? By adding a plank level viscosity to space proportional to distance ^2.

I heard about the "tired light" and also that the early universe ran on slightly different fundamentals. Perhaps "tired light" is due to a gravitational effect on the light as it transverses the great distance to us and gets red shifted by the collective mass it is transiting from.

well, axe, I am interested in why you think I'm wrong, and I am pretty sure I am wrong too. You imply a possible good idea on the subject....intrigue me.... (if you are a human too)

despite the deleted post, I still wish to discuss the question as to why recent webb findings seem to indicate a longer age of the universe than previously thought. If the gravitation in both distant and proximate masses acting upon light coming to us from a great distance causes a pseudo red shift due to a non linear affect upon a light beam traveling toward us, in that a red shift effect predominates any blue shift occurring in the overall travel path. Could gravitation affecting light coming to us from the early universe be a factor here, and is illusory, making the universe only13.7 billion and only appearing much older

if gravitation is causing red shift, would not observations of distant objects within space get red shifted by even more distant mass during he first half of it's travel to us, and then blue shifted by proximate gravity of our local universe on the second half? I thought red shift was caused by a yet to be determined mechanism, and an expansion of space in real physical terms, not just appearance due to any gravitational distortions.

recently a dialogue about webb telescope findings has been going on speculating that the age of the universe is twice previous estimate of 13.7 b years. The discrepancy seems indicated by early star and galaxy formations appearing much older than standard bb model. Since light is affected by gravity, could not the mass of the early universe cause an additional red shift factor adding to the well measured expansion of space? Would not such a far away and immense combined mass function as to simulate a dispersed black hole effect acting upon light beams observed here?

yeah,, thought so, thanks for the feedback

there is online discussion of scalar emf waves that do not have a frequency, but offer a voltage. Not only does this supposed wave have a voltage that can be applied remotely, but travels faster than light to a specific point, moving in the time dimension, not normal 3d space time. This seems highly unlikely, even to the extent of the naming of it as a scalar "wave" when the proponents say it has no frequency. thanks

if you have to have many entangled pairs in both places, held as an inventory, using each measured pair as one bit of information. Of course, since a state cannot be determined, the concept is unworkable unless "weak measurement" has some application

it seems that if entanglement phenomena are ever to be used for communications, one would have to determine the state of the proximate photon just before, or as it is measured. If you could make a parameter determination past the traditionally established probability state, by using error correction, it seems communication of a bit by bit mode could be established, so many entangled particles would be needed, depending on the length of the communication text.

ok, thanks

if the Everett idea of infinite universes does apply, would that not affect the issue?

If the particles are entangled in this universe, that seems to hold, but what if one particle is somehow sent to an Everettian style other universe? Would that not defeat any possibility of correlation?

I am proposing entangling the two balls in proximity, then moving ball 2 beyond ball one's light cone before measuring ball one.

with a clearly impossible thought experiment

oh yes, this is a thought experiment only, and realize a physical test is probably impossible...thanks. What about a light cone barrier. If one particle was carried out of the light cone from it's partner, would that theoretically disable entanglement?

yes, I am aware of that term being inaccurate technically, but I mean the out of phase parameter spin observations that occur in these experiments.

in any case? I am considering the traditional case of mere separation of partcles vs. separation by an event horizon.

as a thought experiment, what if one of an entangled pair of particles were to fall into a black hole and it's partner is in a remote lab and is measured. Would the black hole residing particle respond to it's partner as in the case of being separated by only distance, and not affect by the event horizon? IOW, is non locality blocked if one particle is behind the horizon, forming a sort of informational diode to even this quantum effect?

does a smaller kerr bh have a more extensive frame dragging radius due to a higher gravitational gradient than of a larger one?

so there would be some sympathetic rotation of the dm within a small finite range of the kerr bh event horizon, and would that range be larger with a smaller bh than of a bigger one?

Would a cavendish experiment in our galaxy's dm halo have a measure of G different from that measured on earth?

so....dm does rotate somewhat somewhere near the kerr hole, unless dm ignores space time, or is a minority variant species of space time itself.