Don't you reckon it's a great idea to train people to vaccinate each other in public?

Like, the process of administering an injection is very simple, I've seen tutorials on youtube, like a 4 step process.

If everybody in the world were trained to administer flu shots, or tetanus shots, for instance

There could be random booths put up all over the place, one could just walk upto a person on the street and be like "Wanna give me my flu injection"

Just an idea I had wanted to share.

4 minutes ago, NobelPrizeLaureate said:

Don't you reckon it's a great idea to train people to vaccinate each other in public?

Like, the process of administering an injection is very simple, I've seen tutorials on youtube, like a 4 step process.

If everybody in the world were trained to administer flu shots, or tetanus shots, for instance

There could be random booths put up all over the place, one could just walk upto a person on the street and be like "Wanna give me my flu injection"

Just an idea I had wanted to share.

Horrible idea. Think about the risks associated with getting injected with stuff from random people. Moreover, where is the need? Availability of vaccines is not an issue in developed countries, just walk into any pharmacy.

Again, think about the issue surrounding administering drugs for a few more seconds.

2 minutes ago, NobelPrizeLaureate said:

Don't you reckon it's a great idea to train people to vaccinate each other in public?

Like, the process of administering an injection is very simple, I've seen tutorials on youtube, like a 4 step process.

If everybody in the world were trained to administer flu shots, or tetanus shots, for instance

There could be random booths put up all over the place, one could just walk upto a person on the street and be like "Wanna give me my flu injection"

Just an idea I had wanted to share.

I'm not sure the number of people available to give the injections is normally the limiting factor in the take-up of vaccinations. I think it's more a question of getting enough doses sent to the right place and getting people to come forward to be vaccinated. Nurses and even nowadays pharmacists can administer injections. The local clinic I attended last Saturday for my 'flu' and covid jabs (which I am automatically offered now that I am over 65 years old) did 400 people in a single morning.

But regarding members of the public doing it, I do not think that is a good idea. People need to trust the process if they are gong to come forward to be vaccinated, and there are plenty of ways it can be messed up in unqualified hands, ranging from unnecessary pain during the process to bruising, or even introduction of infections if proper sterility is not maintained. I certainly would not be willing to risk it.     

No, I want someone with training.

When I was in the navy, I had a couple of occasions where I was a victim of a corpsman-in-training getting some practice, and not performing very well. Injections may look easy, but that doesn’t mean any schmo can do it.

33 minutes ago, NobelPrizeLaureate said:

Like, the process of administering an injection is very simple, I've seen tutorials on youtube, like a 4 step process.

Like by the same person who offers to make you a millionaire in 4 minutes ?

 

Let's be very clear.

There are many sorts of 'injections' :-  intra venus and intra muscular, intra dermal, intra occular to name but a few.

Each one carries its own risks and special techniques, some are easier than others.

Does your 4 step procedure cope with this.

For instance what if the patient is on Clopidogrel ?

 

On a lighter note, my wife used to teach injections. They used to practise on an orange for the manual ones.

 

youtube?

I'll add that vaccines have storage and handling requirements that certainly wont served well by the general public.

39 minutes ago, PhilGeis said:

youtube?

I'll add that vaccines have storage and handling requirements that certainly wont served well by the general public.

Exactly. Also, how would you ensure that the random person is in fact providing vaccines and not something else entirely? The process of injecting is not even the biggest issue here.

Why "to each other" and not to themselves?

I got a flu shot from a trained professional a few years back and developed SIRVA. Given that it can happen when shots are administered by professionals, I think I'll pass on having some dude in the neighborhood stick a needle in my arm.

On 10/19/2024 at 10:39 AM, PhilGeis said:

youtube?

I'll add that vaccines have storage and handling requirements that certainly wont served well by the general public.

Hey don't dis YouTube, I "learned" how to replce a dislocated shoulder from YouTube.

Did it involve essential oils and investments in crypto currencies?

On 10/27/2024 at 7:43 AM, iNow said:

Did it involve essential oils and investments in crypto currencies?

Nope, it was produced by an ER doc for use by other ER docs. 

Edited November 9, 20241 yr by LuckyR

I see. So NOT the general public. 

On 11/9/2024 at 10:30 AM, iNow said:

I see. So NOT the general public. 

That was the intent of the producer, but anyone can watch and learn. 

8 minutes ago, LuckyR said:

anyone can watch and learn. 

That’s optimistic. I’ve seen too much evidence to the contrary to readily agree. 

3 minutes ago, iNow said:

That’s optimistic. I’ve seen too much evidence to the contrary to readily agree. 

The cohort seeking out such a video will not be a cross section of the General Public. 

12 minutes ago, LuckyR said:

That was the intent of the producer, but anyone can watch and learn. 

ER docs have a certain background and experience that the general public does not

54 minutes ago, LuckyR said:

The cohort seeking out such a video will not be a cross section of the General Public. 

Interesting claim you’ve got there. Would be a shame if someone asked you to back it up with evidence. 

On 11/11/2024 at 2:26 PM, swansont said:

ER docs have a certain background and experience that the general public does not

Thanks for that, Captain Obvious.

On 11/11/2024 at 3:20 PM, iNow said:

Interesting claim you’ve got there. Would be a shame if someone asked you to back it up with evidence. 

If it isn't inherently obvious that individuals who do a search for "how to replace a dislocated shoulder" are not a random distribution of folks on YouTube, I can't help you.

Edited November 13, 20241 yr by LuckyR

5 minutes ago, LuckyR said:

I can't help you.

Glad we agree 

Please note temperature control important to flu vaccine stability.  

https://www.naccho.org/uploads/downloadable-resources/storage-of-influenza-vaccine-MDH-3.pdf

On 10/16/2024 at 2:50 PM, CharonY said:

Horrible idea. Think about the risks associated with getting injected with stuff from random people. Moreover, where is the need? Availability of vaccines is not an issue in developed countries, just walk into any pharmacy.

Again, think about the issue surrounding administering drugs for a few more seconds.

The scope of your statement is very poor. What about developing countries or countries that need some level of medicinal assistance?

On 10/16/2024 at 2:39 PM, NobelPrizeLaureate said:

Don't you reckon it's a great idea to train people to vaccinate each other in public?

Like, the process of administering an injection is very simple, I've seen tutorials on youtube, like a 4 step process.

If everybody in the world were trained to administer flu shots, or tetanus shots, for instance

There could be random booths put up all over the place, one could just walk upto a person on the street and be like "Wanna give me my flu injection"

Just an idea I had wanted to share.

You likely have to be qualified healthcare professional to administer a vaccine in public.

Its very unlikely someone will come to you on "the street" and will be like:

"Hey bro, you wanna get the vaccine for the SARS strain? I made it myself tehehe"

3 minutes ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

The scope of your statement is very poor. What about developing countries or countries that need some level of medicinal assistance?

Same thing there. You wouldn't want a random person to poke you. There, you would still want to have trusted folks in the community trained to administer injections even if access to fully trained health personnel is lacking. The alternative would be to simplify systems to that would allow safe self-administration, which still requires some training.

6 minutes ago, Sohan Lalwani said:

You likely have to be qualified healthcare professional to administer a vaccine in public.

Its very unlikely someone will come to you on "the street" and will be like:

"Hey bro, you wanna get the vaccine for the SARS strain? I made it myself tehehe"

That is basically what I was alluding to.

1 minute ago, CharonY said:

Same thing there. You wouldn't want a random person to poke you. There, you would still want to have trusted folks in the community trained to administer injections even if access to fully trained health personnel is lacking. The alternative would be to simplify systems to that would allow safe self-administration, which still requires some training.

That is basically what I was alluding to.

No you would not want a random person to poke you, I agree with the statement " you would still want to have trusted folks in the community trained to administer injection" as it would be of general benefit to the community.

However, the statement "Availability of vaccines is not an issue in developed countries, just walk into any pharmacy" has a relatively small scope compared to various developing countries that need assistance. Even in developed countries healthcare may not be accessible.

Just now, Sohan Lalwani said:

However, the statement "Availability of vaccines is not an issue in developed countries, just walk into any pharmacy" has a relatively small scope compared to various developing countries that need assistance. Even in developed countries healthcare may not be accessible.

That is exactly why I specified "developed countries" as in the vast majority the availability is not an issue. Affordability might be an issue in a few of these countries, but that wouldn't be addressed by having folks walking around with vaccines in their pocket. I took the suggestion as a means to increase availability.