swansont Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 16 hours ago, Saber said: That is also a theory ......but im not a fan of that im not a believer of the ( accidental evolution theory ) i believe in ( purposal evolution ) ! Moderator Note Well, that’s potentially a problem, because we discuss accepted, mainstream science, and “purposal” (sic) evolution is not accepted, mainstream science. 1 hour ago, Saber said: When you want some thing you feel that you want it dont you ..For example if you were a creature who was in early stage of evolving a mouth you would feel that if you had some hard and sharp things in your mouth grabbing & holding on the food or prey would be easier ! Moderator Note If you want to discuss this, you need to do so in speculations. But you need to support your conjecture with evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exchemist Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Saber said: When you want some thing you feel that you want it dont you ..For example if you were a creature who was in early stage of evolving a mouth you would feel that if you had some hard and sharp things in your mouth grabbing & holding on the food or prey would be easier If i was a creature who dwelled on the trees i would feel if i had longer arms it would be better when hanging on trees perhaps............. And how about devolution of eyes ? like in moles and in cave fish ? they loose their eyes by accident ? I think the motivation for evolution is Need and when the need is gone like the need to see in moles & in cave fish they devolve and loose their eyes ..........or like marine mammals who replaced arms & legs with flippers Although i dont disagree with this either..........i think these two traits work together but i strongly believe that even one electron has awareness and is capable of thinking..............let alone.............animals.......... not the type of thinking that we do.............but @ its own level of existence........... i believe that all the elements of this world know what they are doing in the subconscious level.........if you dont laugh @ me .............An Electron thats orbiting it nuclea ........in a little dust particle in the intergalactic.........space.......knows what its purpose is...................a light sensoring cell in a plankton that lived 200 million years ago.............knew what its purpose was.................. What can it mean to say an electron has awareness, or has a purpose? How do you think this would manifest itself? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringJunky Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 @Saber Purposeful evolution is 'teleologically-driven evolution, which is a form of religious-type creationism by a supernatural actor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saber Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, swansont said: ! Moderator Note Well, that’s potentially a problem, because we discuss accepted, mainstream science, and “purposal” (sic) evolution is not accepted, mainstream science. ! Moderator Note If you want to discuss this, you need to do so in speculations. But you need to support your conjecture with evidence I wrote ( i believe ) i didnt say that those are facts..........those are my beliefs .....and not proven facts........ 43 minutes ago, StringJunky said: @Saber Purposeful evolution is 'teleologically-driven evolution, which is a form of religious-type creationism by a supernatural actor. Yes thats exactly my believe....i think i cant talk about the details as i would be mocked a lot..........But as general not to dig deep....he creator ( which i believe its not god he doesnt have time for these banal stuff 🤣) has created a point..........a particle................and told it to go and evolve and come back...........when you have completed the cycle of evolution........and told it to go & experience every thing possible ( experience all the experiencable things ) and be every thing possible ( be all the be-able things ).......... and come back to the form of the first particle again....... AKA go round the circle complete the Pi and come back during the time your are evolving you are in a state that the Pi is not complete And lets not dig any deeper here.............. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 30 minutes ago, Saber said: I wrote ( i believe ) i didnt say that those are facts..........those are my beliefs .....and not proven facts........ This is hardly a defense. Belief of this sort has no place in the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 This is a science site not a 'beliefs' site. Furthermore, I don't like your attitude. Ignoring people whose ideas distress your sensibilities, suggests you are only interested in preaching your own ideas to the rest of us. That's not what we do here, either. I, and hopefully others, will ignore your posts and questions until you learn basic respect for others' deas and opinions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saber Posted June 12, 2023 Author Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, swansont said: This is hardly a defense. Belief of this sort has no place in the discussion. No problem i wont push it any further ......... 5 hours ago, MigL said: This is a science site not a 'beliefs' site. Furthermore, I don't like your attitude. Ignoring people whose ideas distress your sensibilities, suggests you are only interested in preaching your own ideas to the rest of us. That's not what we do here, either. I, and hopefully others, will ignore your posts and questions until you learn basic respect for others' deas and opinions. I am not pushing you to believe what i believe ( but unfortunately you are not capable of understading this ) i asked a question and some people gave me their answers & opinions and i tanked them and told them i dont agree with their POV i didnt tell them you have to believe what i do i dint tell them my beliefs are facts and anyone who dont agree with them is wrong I simply gave my POV but you cant stand me giving my POV you say No you cant believe what you want you have ta accept what we say and your are not allowed to write what you think This site has owners and Mods if they ask me to do so ill obey but im not obligated to listen to anyody else....specially you who dont like my attitude...... .............And also you and Mr genady talked to me with disrespect.... You could go see what the person who i ignored wrote in reply s to me in other threads...........his attitude was unbarable for me so i ignored that user not to get angry by his way of talking and not to make the situation more tense. in those topic....... His ideas did not make me uncomfortable there are many many people whos ideas are not like mine i have no problem with them the way people talk...........respectively Any one is free to ignore any one they like and i would be pleased if some people like you who cant distinguish having different ideas and opinion from a person who cant write and act with respect...ignore me so you just dont read what i write as you really cant figure out whos disrespectull to who...... 5 hours ago, MigL said: This is a science site not a 'beliefs' site. Furthermore, I don't like your attitude. Ignoring people whose ideas distress your sensibilities, suggests you are only interested in preaching your own ideas to the rest of us. That's not what we do here, either. I, and hopefully others, will ignore your posts and questions until you learn basic respect for others' deas and opinions. Here are some * Not all bit some of the posts of that person you are defending who wrote for me...... And here he was mocking me because i use more than 1 space in between my words there was another one which he mocked me because i am Iranian and live in the middle east and that post made me mad * he called me sand people or sand person i dont remember exactly... i searched it and didnt find that post think the Mods have deleted it.....ill search more if it isnt deleted ill find it and show it to you... And i thought if im going to respond to this guy is going to start a forum fight so i decided to ignore this user....and not see his posts any more he clearly doesnt know how to speak and respect others or @ least me and iv done the best job ignoring him not to see what he writes.....i didnt even report his posts ......but i guess it was better to report them when they were written or screen shoted them And i also dont like your attitude for supporting this user...either.....nor anybody who supports him writing like that..... Edited June 12, 2023 by Saber -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saber Posted June 12, 2023 Author Share Posted June 12, 2023 Their clan has started a negative rep war against me......they are going all over my posts and giving me neg reputations !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Saber said: Their clan has started a negative rep war against me......they are going all over my posts and giving me neg reputations !!!! ! Moderator Note None of your posts focusing on science have been voted down. It seems to be the ones where you mention a creator in the Evolution section, or complain about other posters, or about getting reputation points. No wars against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saber Posted June 13, 2023 Author Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Phi for All said: ! Moderator Note None of your posts focusing on science have been voted down. It seems to be the ones where you mention a creator in the Evolution section, or complain about other posters, or about getting reputation points. No wars against you. Mr Swansont told me that the posts are not relevant to the topic and i obeyed and said i would not continue ......and i didnt....... But afterwards some of the members harassed be because i said i have ignored Mr. I now .....and told me its not a good idea to ignore people if their ideas arent like your and told them its not because my ideas and not in like with him its due ti his bad attitude in writing for me..........as there are many people even in this topic whom i dont agree with their opinions but i have even gave them positive reps for taking their time to answer my question........ They cant distinguish the difference between bad behavior & not agreeing with their opinions on some thing...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Saber said: some of the members harassed be because i said i have ignored Mr. I now .....<snip> its not because my ideas and not in like with him its due ti his bad attitude in writing for me..........<snip> They cant distinguish the difference between bad behavior & not agreeing with their opinions on some thing...... I appreciate how often and for how long you’ve been letting me live rent free in your mind and thoughts, but I’m happy to report that I’m already currently housed and domiciled. Encourage you to please simply forget about me, dismiss me as the stranger on the internet that I am, and move on with your life. Your well-being is important and the internet isn’t always conducive to nurturing it. Be well. May your path be peaceful, safe, and joyful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saber Posted June 14, 2023 Author Share Posted June 14, 2023 On 6/13/2023 at 3:58 AM, iNow said: dismiss me as the stranger on the internet I have.....but that doesnt mean ill forget what people have done to me i remember anything anyone does to me ....stranger or familiar.....to biuld up patterns in my mind....so i could spot people who are going to cause harm to me.......and don think that you cant harm some body verbally ...... On 6/13/2023 at 3:58 AM, iNow said: Be well. May your path be peaceful, safe, and joyful. Thanx.... So ill take back the Neg Reps i gave to you and your supporters tell them to do the same for me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 On 6/11/2023 at 12:33 PM, Saber said: I wrote ( i believe ) i didnt say that those are facts..........those are my beliefs .....and not proven facts........ ! Moderator Note OK, but this is a science discussion forum, and this is the Evolution section. You "beliefs" are worthless against all the mountains of evidence we have for the process. Evolution is a fact, and the theory describes the observations we've made over centuries. I don't think you understand how strong "theory" is in science. It's not just a guess. If you think you have ANY evidence in support of your beliefs, you can present it in a separate thread IN THE SPECULATIONS SECTION. Be prepared to explain, using evidence, why your ideas should be considered. I'm closing this, since you went beyond asking a question, and actively reject the mainstream explanations. We are interested in what you have to say, but only if you can support it with more than "those are my beliefs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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