44 minutes ago, Kartazion said:

But Jesus is a great prophet.

 

No, he wasn't.

1 minute ago, zapatos said:

No, he wasn't.

Okay. But why?

17 minutes ago, MigL said:

It would accomplish just as much.

Well, if you think so, I vote for you to do that.

6 hours ago, ArandomTheorist said:

Assuming there is a god

Why would you eve assume that?

Why not start: "Assuming there is an invisible pink flying unicorn ..."

It just seems a bizarre assumption to start from.

5 hours ago, Kartazion said:

You are talking about a men who is not a God. Whether he really lived or not.

But Jesus is a great prophet.

If he didn't exist, he can't have been any sort of prophet.

Maybe you should read that other thread about whether he actually existed or not.

57 minutes ago, Strange said:

If he didn't exist, he can't have been any sort of prophet.

Maybe you should read that other thread about whether he actually existed or not.

Sure. And this is for example, valid for each biblical character and prophet.

But whether or not he existed in pulpit and bones does not change the fact that there is a God or not.
I would not say the same for his influence, which made believers into Christian. But this is another subject.

1 minute ago, Kartazion said:

Sure. And this is for example, valid for each biblical character and prophet.

But whether or not he existed in pulpit and bones does not change the fact that there is a God or not.
I would not say the same for his influence, which made believers into Christian. But this is another subject.

Right. But that is not what you said.

1 minute ago, Strange said:

Right. But that is not what you said.

What I said.?

Just now, Kartazion said:

What I said.?

Memory problems?

6 hours ago, Kartazion said:

But Jesus is a great prophet.

Not if he didn't exist.

1 minute ago, Strange said:

Memory problems?

Not if he didn't exist.

Lol. 

But in the scriptures there is.

1 minute ago, Kartazion said:

Lol. 

But in the scriptures there is.

There is what?

2 minutes ago, Strange said:

There is what?

A story of a man whether he existed or not.

10 minutes ago, Kartazion said:

A story of a man whether he existed or not.

Stories, yes. 

But: if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet.

8 minutes ago, Strange said:

Stories, yes. 

But: if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet.

This is turning into an English lesson. I'm voting for closure too.

1 minute ago, Strange said:

But: if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet.

With 'ifs' one could put Paris in a bottle.

16 minutes ago, koti said:

This is turning into an English lesson.

Or one on logic.

13 minutes ago, Kartazion said:

With 'ifs' one could put Paris in a bottle.

I don't know what that means, but if you had said "If he existed he was a great prophet" then I would not have commented. But insisting that a probably mythical person "is" something is, essentially, false.

22 minutes ago, Strange said:

I don't know what that means, ...

As you can see on the Internet, it is a french proverb. In France we can say it in this way: With 'ifs' we can remake the world.

26 minutes ago, Strange said:

But insisting that a probably mythical person "is" something is, essentially, false.

This is precisely what the New Testament does.

7 minutes ago, Kartazion said:

As you can see on the Internet, it is a french proverb. In France we can say it in this way: With 'ifs' we can remake the world.

So is it "Paris in a bottle" or "remake the world" ?

2 minutes ago, koti said:

So is it "Paris in a bottle" or "remake the world" ?

In France yes we say it like that "remake the world"  https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si,_on_refait_le_monde

But you also have the other, the 'international version' https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si_on_mettrait_Paris_en_bouteille

33 minutes ago, Kartazion said:

In France yes we say it like that "remake the world"  https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si,_on_refait_le_monde

But you also have the other, the 'international version' https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si_on_mettrait_Paris_en_bouteille

Fascinating. I couldn't have found a worse way to use this proverb than towards Strange's sentence:
"if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet"

Let me share my home language proverb with you as well,  please check "on the internet" for translation:
https://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/wyżej_sra,_niż_dupę_ma

Edited April 11, 20205 yr by koti

1 hour ago, Kartazion said:

As you can see on the Internet, it is a french proverb. In France we can say it in this way: With 'ifs' we can remake the world.

This is precisely what the New Testament does.

You're missing the point, it doesn't matter if Jesus was real; what matters is what you learn from him/her/them...

7 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

what matters is what you learn from him/her/them...

And it makes him a great prophet.

Just now, Kartazion said:

And it makes him/her/them a great prophet.

FTFY

It doesn't matter who brings the message, just read it...

10 hours ago, ArandomTheorist said:

3. can the god even interact in our dimension 

Learn what a dimension is. It's not a plane of existence, or another realm. It has a scientific meaning.

 

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Moderator Note

We've had enough calls for closure, so this really isn't a judgement call from a staff member who's involved, but I'm going to close this. This isn't a great topic for our format here, where we're looking for some trustworthiness behind the arguments we make. If you want to use your imagination to think about your gods, you should be able to find a site where the membership isn't actively trying to keep your feet on the ground.