dimreepr

Yes I get it, you want to return to basics, to clarify your possition and avoid the ambiguity of a nuanced reality. However, the thread has evolved and I feel that the difficuty of first contact and communication is a legitimate line of enquiry that adds to the topic; no doubt you'll disagree, and you're most welcome too, but for a fruitful discussion an explanation of why you disagree is required (not just a dismissive hand waving excuse), IOW a reason why not an excuse not too.

I thought I had with help from swansont; but if you know better, feel free...

Fair enough, but communication can, I assume... But few to understand...

A book traps idea's, If there's only one copy... 😉

There in lies the problem, he wasn't seen to be punished. we can only imagine what he might suffer... And even that suffering, if Germain, is equal; we struggle too find retribution...

A feedback loop, my teacher said 'this' so 'this' must be true, no questions...

The problem with book's is, they trap our understanding in what we know; we don't need wing's or angel's to find heaven, just a map of the trap...

Now were back to my initial question, why are they hiding? The option's given assume 'they' exist, any reasonable thought experiment must include: They don't exist. They can't comunicate with us. They won't communicate with us. Why are you so angry at my ideas? They only threaten your understanding...

The third great barrier is language and understanding, I believe that's relevant to the topic. If you could lay off the condescension for just a minute or two and actually read what I've posted, you may learn something else.

At least someone did...

Dark matter is what we know, about what we don't know...

You can know everything about a mouse, but you can never understand what it is too be a mouse; if you want to talk to a mouse, and make sense, you must become a mouse. The best way to learn French, is too live in France. I'm not picking ideas apart, I'm asking if the idea has merit, reasonably. My only philosophy is too question (myself mostly), if that's hairy fairy... Then I'm guilty as charged and proud of it. Perhaps, training is a life long process. So are the distances...

I can be obscure and I can be mysterious, mostly because I lack the training to be more articulate, but a clue is a clue, some people get it and some don't. How loud do you imagine we are? AFAIK We're struggling to send a coherent message to voyager...

So do people

Only people who think they know better, can judge a wine over whiskey; I just get pissed...

Only people who think they know better...

I've re-read your post's and I'm still confused, can you help me understand.

Perhaps, but the point I was making with said creature, is to illustrate the difficulty of first contact, trying to communicate with something we have absolutely nothing in common with. Even if we shared a similar physiology, it's extremely unlikely we'd share anything relatable with which to base a common languge, with enough syntax to understand the difference between a friendly gesture and a mortal threat.

How unsafe are the gullible, they're prone to eugenics... 😉

The same idea will be understood time and time again, because it makes sense at the time and because it's a simple idea; be nice... No wonder so many have predicted, a return to understanding when the time is right. I forsee a future when being nice to other's, is good for me... Why does it matter who told me?

How many times are going to pick up the ball, stick out your tongue and go home, rather than answer a reasonable question? The data suggests growing statistical significance.

For the two to be equivalent they both have to be the same colour: I'm trying to explain my position (different flavours) and you're trying to excuse your position (just bitter)...

Are you suggesting an advanced alien species can't be sustained by absobing light? Or are you just anthropomorphising? I thought the implication was clear, do it honestly.

It's a thought experiment, so think about it...

Yawn... 🙄 You don't seem to have read the topic title (or any of my post's), so perhaps you do that, and then how about you take a day off and just answer, yet another, honest straightforward question, honestly. Pretty please... 🙏 Wir