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How do you propose to do that, without some sort of cull? Without a cull, you would unbalance the population, to the point that more people need care than there are people capable of careing, that would result in a self induced natural cull, in which you'd be included; it could be argued that that would be the fairest way; unless, of course, you're one of the population that's forcibly castrated. Besides, who decides who should be forcibly castrated? Let me guess, those who are seen to be littering...

Thinking you know the answer and knowing the answer are different, and pointing out a fact that is common to all humans (physiology aside), however closely related, is your person opinion/bias. I don't know what problem's you and your son are having, it's not really relevant; let's imagine (for examples sake) he was an alcoholic, while it's perfectly true that he has to stop drinking, just telling him that won't achieve anything. Even the brightest of student's sometimes need more than just a lecture, there's a philosophical name for that problem (which I can't recall). I think bad teachers are responsible for a lot of our biased opinion, that's not a fact it's just my opinion based on observations.

Religion's do, it's people that don't.

What a well reasoned reply... 🤔 The only type of criminal that wants to be seen committing a crime (terrorist's), doesn't expect to live, or get away with it; that would be the very definition of someone that does not care what the punishment is. What about criminal's that think they can't be seen, camo, disguise etc. but are uncovered by forensics, I hear you, potentially, argue; dude, we are talking about petty littering, "no one expected the Spanish inquisition". 😇 Don't even get me started on fly tipping... 😣

Don't you have to been seen, before a punishment is a threat?

Without reading the thread, I'm intrigued as to how it got from the topic title to fashion in just 3 page's...

Part of that is the culture they live in, as described in my dog shit analog; the punishment is almost irrelevant if one is always seen and most people buy into the righteousness of the crime; in a rabbit warren there are lots of places for hidden eyes to witness without being seen. In a park there's nothing for the hidden eyes to hide behind. Well, I can't force you too pay attention... 🤓

Fair enough, although anonymity would give more reliable data.

Point well missed.

Sorry @Genady that came across way more condescending than was intended, I just not sure what benefit would come from knowing that some people like what you say and some don't; whilst there's a lesson to be had, especially with a neg, I think the fact that it's given anonymously gives the lesson more gravity.

In an ideal world why would we pay someone to clean up after ourselves? As for dog shit, yes it does work (because we've got the army of the righteous, on the case) but only when we're seen, then we show our civic brethren our act of picking up the shit; the problem is, when we're not seen it becomes a matter of convenience. Which means that, in the dark a) a lot of shit is left, because we can't be bothered (besides it's not directly on the path) and b) a lot of plastic is added to the shit and then added to a tree because the bin's to far and I can't be bothered to carry it. In a less than ideal world, we accept our responsibility and just use the swear jar to assuage our guilt.

It would be ironic, if the inventor of the stocks charged to much...

Would that make you feel better?

What a load of bollocks...

Are you sure that you have thought about this properly??? Without the promise of power???

Perhaps not and perhaps he can. But the problem is, you think you know better; so, in actual fact, you're trying to force him to comply with your biased thinking; without thinking you are... 🤒

Is it better to pay people to clean up the rubbish or pay people to prosecute other people? When we think critically, the answer is obvious: 1, we have less litter. 2, we have a combination of jobsworths and mini-hitter's, who love to wield power, and the corrupt, who will turn a blind eye for half the price; with no guarantee of less litter. Another option is to have the equivalent of a swear jar, most people can get on board with that, for obvious reason's (which I'm happy to explain), which pays for the litter picker's; who would have less litter to pick, win win... 🖖 Edit, cross posted with Genady.

Have you witnessed a less crappy world?

How would the test be different?

In much the same way... 😉

How is that not your personal bias? You just prefer to be labelled a Jedi... 🤞

Then it has no impact on who you are, your soul is therefore nothing more than one of the atoms you'll lose tomorrow, while you live on... Which is fendamentally true, the soul is just a different word for the self; if you think about it from a religious perspective, then heaven can only be found here, in this crappy world, when your 'self' is dead and you can't remember, then what's the point of heaven?

Really? You've never had an earworm? So are you trying to tell me that, "your voice" has never been influenced by anything or that when you think of a phrase like "are you talking to me" you don't hear a New York cabbie looking in a mirror? That's your personal bias Angel, whispering in your ear.

Do you remember any of your previous incarnation's? How can you know the pleasure of food, if you've never been hungry? Utopia literally mean's no place. This crappy world and your life time, contains everything you need to be content enough to wait for an enjoyable moment, it's up to you recognise and value those moment's, it certainly won't come after you die.

Nope...