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On the other side of this coin, Poland’s far right wing PM has proposed (in the name of free speech) imposing heavy fines on any social media companies who ban accounts and fail to restore those banned. He plans to lobby the EU to do the same. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55678502

It seems to me that you may be accidentally conflating core inflation with headline inflation. People WILL be better off in daily life with a higher minimum wage even if core inflation rises. Millions of them will... If, however, headline inflation rises as a result of increased wages, then you have a valid point, but nobody serious is proposing that. Milk prices won’t skyrocket because the accounting firm pays the janitor more. Higher wages do, however, lead to lower starvation and lower housing insecurity all while increasing overall economic output. That’s good for the small businesses you’re advocating for. Sure, it’d be nice if employers would just pay people what they’re worth out of the kindness of their hearts, but it’d also be nice if sewage made good whiskey. Sadly, that’s just not how it works. Not meaning to gang up on you here, but I too am curious what analysis you’ve done to identify that threshold (or what analysis you’ve read from others to reach this conclusion). Nobody disagrees there’s a threshold. You, however, seem to be suggesting we’re close to it and you’re using a WAG / gut feeling to support that stance. The rest of us though (at least me) are pointing to detailed studies showing that we’re no where near that point... Not. Even. Close. $15/hr is $31,000/year... less than $25,000/yr after 20% income tax. The job losses you highlight so passionately would be focused in job markets which already experience extremely high churn anyway. Yes, some businesses will suffer in the face of higher wage requirements. On net, however, the growth achievement from such a minimum wage change exceeds those losses rather significantly. There’s definitely merit in the idea of a UBI being better than a minimum wage increase. However, UBI is not a political reality in the US right now. Minimum wage is, and so consequently that’s what we’re discussing. It’s a bit like me asking which is the cheapest pharmacy for me to go get a covid vaccine and instead of answering the actual question you spend several posts telling us universal healthcare is the smartest policy and I shouldn’t have to pay anything at all. Yeah, okay. I don’t disagree buddy, but we don’t have UHC in the USA right now... so, about that pharmacy cost question I actually asked? UBI isn’t on the table right now. Minimum wage increases are. Let’s please remain focused there.

Exactly right, Ken. In much the same way, the freedom OF religion protected by the US Constitution is also equally a freedom FROM religion for those like me who don’t practice it. While the concept of free speech is involved here, the legal protection of it is not. To use your comparison, newspaper editors are not required to print your opinions or allow you to share them on their pages if they don’t wish to.

The major sites are shutting them down. Are you suggesting the government should shutdown all sites that host that content? If not, I’m unclear what you’re suggesting

I tend to agree, but aren’t we already pretty much there with existing platforms and moderation policies?

You should’ve read the link improved and not just the quoted part. Here’s another part which addresses this point above:

One must also look at the race and gender of who’s been out to death under Trump. I believe there’s a skew

Original Poster / Opening Post (depending on context)

Probably because the evidence doesn’t support those talking points. https://www.epi.org/publication/minimum-wage-testimony-feb-2019/ The references cites above themselves have references for anyone wishing to dig in further.

Twitter CEO, Jack Dorsey, supported the move for security reasons, but also acknowledged that this step of removing users sets a dangerous precedent. He went on to discuss the BlueSky initiative which would basically force media platforms like his and FB and others to make their code open source and let anyone who wants to create platforms inline with their own views and moderation preferences. With this, decision making authority and power to deactivate accounts would no longer be so centralized and the market of ideas would determine which sites prosper and which sites wither. https://techcrunch.com/2021/01/15/twitters-vision-of-decentralization-could-also-be-the-far-rights-internet-endgame/ Considered in a vacuum, I’m attracted to this approach. It appeals to my own sense of freedom and autonomy. Considered in context of our current world where active and government run disinformation campaigns that lead neighbors to commit violence against each other’s children, however, I’m reluctant and hesitant to remove all brakes and stopgaps. From the article above: As with so many topics in our shared governance, the tip of the spear here pokes at which limits are appropriate and how to balance those limits with openness, not whether any limits should exist at all. If BlueSky became a reality, what limits would you support? Would it even be possible to limit it, and if not, maybe it shouldn’t be built at all? These are hard questions, and I’m left wondering how the most articulate free speech supporters of centuries past might adjust their stances in the face of our current world with ISIS, child porn, the 2nd rising of Nazis, and all the rest. "The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

Many regions are involved in this. There is no single region

What a noble truth that is. QFT

Okie dokie The evidence rather strongly implies otherwise

Basically the same thing you've been told on every other forum where you've been posting this for weeks...

Libertarianism, too. It seems ideologies go out the window when you become trapped in a cult

Disgust is too broad a term. It's a social avoidance mechanism, a pathogen avoidance system, and so much more. If the stimuli comes in through odor, it follows a different path than if it comes in through vision, and if it's an imagined item or something we read about in a book, it follows yet another path. The question is in the OP is so broad as to be unanswerable.

Also, everyone on staff is 100% volunteering their time to help with this, plus all of us members are here voluntarily and are owed nothing... Phi is super polite. My immediate thought, however, was:

Snapchat permanently banned Trumps account today, too. The city of New York has backed out of all contracts with the Trump organization. Marriott and many other companies have pulled contributions from all congress people who opposed certifying Biden’s win. I’m pretty sure Hertz just said they would even rent Trump a car and Nathan’s wouldn’t serve him a hot dog. Okay... that last one was made up, but wow!

I imagine that would help in a number of ways. As it went today, however, they did a verbal call for Ayes and Nays. The chair ruled that the Ayes have it, but a Republican representative asked for a role call vote. Doing so forced everyone to put their name to it.

Each state sets their own minimum wage locally, but it must be >= the federally mandated minimum. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/minimumwage

I demonstrated the concept of subtraction to my children by eating their French fries. It worked quite well, and served the parallel purpose of being an education in social interaction with people more powerful,than you... that life isn’t always fair. Sorry... yours is a weird OP

https://www.vox.com/2021/1/13/22229052/capitol-hill-riot-intimidate-legislators

We tend to align in these topics. I’m just trying to present the other sides position fairly

I thought this looked strangely familiar: https://thescienceforum.org/eternal-return-and-stable-time-loop-t3041.html#p40835

Me: This is the topic I want to discuss Others: Discuss topic Others later: It's sorta kinda related to this other topic ... another page of off-topic responses on that other topic... Me: Guys, this isn't the topic I'd hoped to explore. It's interesting, this just isn't the right place Reported. Hoping to split the 2nd impeachment of DJT comments into a separate thread and keep this one focused on businesses deplatforming him.