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Just to add to exchemists point... mutations happen all of the time, and most have nothing to do with survival. They're just sort of "there." So long as they don't interfere with or hinder reproduction, they'll often carry on to future generations, too. Not all features are selected. Some simply aren't selected against and just come along for the ride (if that makes sense).

You wouldn't have to argue hard as I tend to agree. I feel a focus on rehabilitation is better for all involved instead of a focus on punishment, whether adult, teenager, or otherwise. I find this framing of absolution and responsibility a bit unhelpful, but have covered my thoughts on this pretty extensively years ago in other threads.

survive and breed Not really, no. This is more about us evolving in a world that no longer exists. We no longer have starve through winter and walk hundreds of miles to find food. Our sedentary lifestyle and easy access to high fat high sugar diets is a better explanation (especially since evolution doesn't have intention... it just selects lifeforms capable of surviving and breeding successfully). Advancing tech makes being fat and lazy easier, but we still have a choice to go exercise and eat better. Many just choose not to. These are separate issues.

survive and breed

Alternatively, perhaps the currently available explanation is the correct one and people just refuse to accept it as valid for various reasons.

Because floods of hormones and a still not fully developed prefrontal cortex makes us often do dumb things, and the next several decades of ones life shouldn't necessarily be ruined due to a mistake made in the first or second. A better question is why do so many people still seem to think harsh sentencing is at all helpful to us as a culture. Citation on said blessing needed. Ability to reproduce and bear offspring comes before ability to think like an adult.

You have yet to adequately define “consciousness” You have yet to make this term make sense or have any meaning whatsoever In fact, we do. Your personal incredulity is irrelevant. Lol. You’d be funny if you weren’t so sad. Tell you what. Since you think it’s so easy, how about you show us all how.

No lol needed. You’re precisely correct

Indeed, which is why I deleted my reply 15 minutes before you submitted your reply to it 🍻

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+1 for that whole damned solid post, but especially for this rather poetic and poignant bit. Thank you for this contribution to the discussion.

Depends on how justice is being defined, but one things for sure: Such an approach is a self-reinforcing downward spiral. This type of path leads to mutually assured destruction. At some point, someone must be mature and wise enough to choose to end the cycle, to say enough is enough, not retaliate, and walk away for not only the greater good, but also for their own mental well-being.

And how many actual neuroscience practitioners lack access to those machines as a result of this cost? Don’t most have associations with institutions and hospitals that DO have access?

Many things, but how this may be related or relevant to my post is unclear to the point of mud

My thoughts from 6 years ago are largely unchanged: https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/95589-do-you-believe-the-death-penalty-is-unethical/#comments

I suppose that depends on how much neuroscience is being held back by lack of access / funding for currently available equipment.

Exactly. That’s pretty much how language and culture has evolved forever. Who’s redefining words, now? 🙄 Mostly because none of us feels your point has any merit or is even worth discussing, but again... just to answer it head on: Late 16th century. https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/parrhesia

Given your current lack of even basic knowledge, you simply shouldn’t even try.

Quite the opposite really: https://ejusa.org/resource/wasteful-inefficient/ It is, and we have lots of evidence in support of this. https://www.nber.org/reporter/2020number1/benefits-rehabilitative-incarceration

Interesting link with useful info, but for me misses the point of the thread a bit. They (once using the menu to find the Economy section) speak of growing national debts and borrowing at low interest rates and inequality and migration crises worsened by climate change, and all of those issues are very real and very important, but they’re also very 10-30 years away. In terms of prepping now for impending doom, the economy this year and next year depends almost entirely on our ability to get the whole planet vaccinated from covid. If we can’t overcome evangelical and white male Republican opposition to vaccines in the US, and if we can’t get vaccines to the over 50 countries who still haven’t delivered even a single jab, or to areas like Brazil who have leaders still brazenly calling the pandemic a hoax perpetrated by liberal media elites and “the Jews,” then THAT is what will cause the economy to tank in the next 3-6 quarters (and that disinformation is being actively fed into us via state actors).

I disagree with your nonsequitur conclusion that this is “the only legitimate metric,” but just to answer your question directly: It may surely have come earlier in previous societies without writing or records available to us in our modern age, but first currently known recorded use suggests the idea came from Athens around 400 BC. During that time it is was described using the term parrhesia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrhesia

Those are both solid films that I enjoyed a lot. Most locals here seem to have been stocking up on ammo and tools allow self reload of shells... militias seem to be more common than I’d like.

I don’t believe this is entirely true in context of premeditated crimes, but may be in context of crimes of passion.

Much of the instability is already priced into the market anyway. The traders tend to make money on both the upside and the downside and it’s only massive unanticipated system shocks that cause huge crashes.