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Yes. Forgive me. Was just speaking from experience with people I actually know. I’ll try being more academic next time so we may remove their humanity and dehumanize them even more than the rest of society is already doing.

I understand where you’re coming from on this. In reality, if the kid decides they’re trans it seems like it happens closer to 8 or 9 and they’re going to passionately wish to avoid being forced to let puberty change their body in a manner which contradicts their mind… that ignores their self identity. It’s not an easy situation, but it’s wrong of you and others IMO to assume parents are criminals who should be held accountable for accepting and supporting their kids early in receiving hormone blockers and/or supplements. “Not your kid. Not your problem. Leave your personal morality out of my house. You don’t get to dictate to me how to handle my offshoring. You raise your kids and I’ll raise mine.” Doesn’t this perspective also resonate with you? Can you understand where parents of trans kids are coming from?

Enough with the sea-sections, fellas. MSCs most recent post was aborted and his membership terminated for 2 trimesters. Hopefully this gestation brings something better after birth. We won’t be nursing him here for a while, nor cleaning any further spit up.

Lol. Only if we ignore what we’ve known for 180 years. You’re hysterical in your wrongness

No My interest in the topic and reasonable discussion about it is “enough.” My interest in engaging with folks who focus on others personality instead of others points is nil to nonexistent.

He means that despite your claims to the contrary, you still very much exist upon an automated biological platform. Autonomic function like breathing and heartbeat, for example, will ALWAYS over power any of your conscious attempts to prevent them. Try holding your breath… try holding it until you die. You’ll fail. Every time, because you’re automated in multiple and fundamental ways.

Got it. You accused me of refusing to answer questions you never actually asked me and then proceeded to berate me for evasion and introduction of false narratives. Glad we cleared that up.

I hope you feel better now that’s all off your chest and that your visits with mental health professionals are productive. Now, back to the topic… You said you’ve posed questions to me that I refuse to answer. Remind me what thread relevant question(s) you have asked of me that have not yet been answered to your satisfaction.

You have a repellant habit of putting words and motivations into others when those words and motivations don’t exist. So, since you mentioned your communication style: … I’ll confirm for you that your style IS a problem, but it’s not because others are too dumb to comprehend your meaning. It’s because you seem to struggle focusing on their points and choose so often instead to focus on them personally and whine like a petulant bratty toddler. Like here: There’s clearly bile spewing in this thread, but back to my earlier comment regarding a clear lack of self-awareness, you seem blind to the fact that most of it is coming from you.

Or, perhaps they understand biology just fine and simply prioritize different things than you do in context of fairness within games made up of arbitrary rules.

You seem to have issues comprehending. Engaging with your writing is all that’s happened. What questions have you asked that you feel I’ve ignored? The only one here IMO acting like they have a fragile ego full of bruises is you.

I’d have to first give a shit what you think in order for you to be able to bruise my ego. Facepalm

Zapatos was kind enough to highlight one example already. Are more needed?

You seem clear enough to me. Communication style seems less relevant here than a seeming lack of self-awareness. Lol. I strongly suspect he wants nothing from you and doesn’t care enough about you to be offended. As for holding hands, maybe this is an example of that issue with communication style you reference?

From the outside, his view appears to be that your argument has holes which need to be highlighted. It seems you feel you’re the sole arbiter of what is moral and what is not, and he’s illuminating the validity of other perspectives.

Perhaps you feel otherwise, but when others direct questions to me and ask me personally to respond to their very narrow point, it doesn’t strike me as unreasonable to remind them of where my own position is focused. YMMV

The laws being passed in state legislatures are focused on school and youth sports, not elite sports. What backup do you request in support of this point?

Lol. Experiments confirm you’re wrong.

If my position is that this issue exists at the youth sports level and it’s school sports where children are being actively excluded via legislation due to being trans, then the percent is zero. There are functionally zero trans people at elite level of sports today to look up to. Elite trans athletes are also not the ones being targeted so it strikes me as a peripheral distraction to continually focus there. The problem is not with elite level sports. Nearly nobody who ever competes makes it to that level. Focusing there… where legislation is not targeting trans people anyway… is a mistake that derails meaningful discussion and possible progress.

I have no interest in hunting red herrings right now. Maybe later

Pot. Kettle. Black. Last I checked, elite athletes (all 6 of them) weren’t being blocked by state legislation from competing while trans.

Understood, and courts have affirmed their authority on paper, but in practice it’s far more unlikely they’d be involved (it’s a small force that’s rarely ever activated): https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL34097.pdf

No, but it’s wholly irrelevant to my own focus on the 99.9% of sports being played by kids in schools, as in those who are NOT engaging at the pinnacle most elite levels that nearly nobody who plays sports ever successfully advances to.

He did, and yet seems full of bile and vitriol and an inability to engage rationally now more than ever.

But congress does NOT have an enforcement arm. There is no sheriff or constable of the congress, for example. So, they can “hold someone in contempt” but the actual “holding” part gets rather tricky. It’s more of a polite request akin to a “sternly worded letter.”