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Given the consistent crap and nonstop nonsense you’ve been posting here since registering, I reckon it’s safe to say that nobody gives a flying ____ about your “opinions.’

This is boring It’s not your choice to make. It’s the parents and healthcare providers involved in that child’s life. Maybe they’ll want to someday play non-elite level childhood and school level sports. We should stop passing laws making that illegal. Puberty blockers aren’t the problem here. Equality and acceptance blockers are.

Pro-forced-birth

Quite the contrary. Real scientists are conservative with their claims when there’s not yet enough data. There’s nothing pseudo about a scientist saying, “we don’t yet know so can’t say for certain, but thus far everything we’ve seen suggests minimal to zero effect.” It takes a very skewed reader to translate that into “pseudoscience”

I’m unclear what accountability might mean in practice here, and find the idea that parents and medical professionals aren’t already involved (that the 8 and 9 year olds are acting in isolation) unrealistic.

No disagreement. It’s also not our decision to make for their family. It’s their decision, and their decision alone.

Your premise here seems a bit to suggest that some adult forced the decision on to their kid… forced them to seek and take treatment for reassignment… and while that’s surely possible, it’s also surely the exception rather than the rule. But if the parents and relevant mental health practitioners sign off on a reassignment their offspring / their patient wants, then I struggle to see how you could reasonably expect to later sue the service people and medical teams who were involved in that and simply acting on the wishes of that family and medical team.

Well.., I wouldn’t say I’ve been missing it, Bob

Could just as easily ask you the same thing for suggesting trans kids are unnatural when they’re not

No Obvious troll is obvious *peers

You need to check your priors. Your premise is false. As comprehension is sometimes hard, I’ll simplify: When making claims about how the nature behaves, empirical evidence is needed and “logic” doesn’t refute experiment. When discussing ideas based on “logic,” it doesn’t mean “this is intuitive to me personally.” You’re conflating “logic” with “this seems to make sense to my uninformed perspective.” Theres no reason for continued confusion here now unless you’re being willfully obtuse.

At the very least, be aware of how your comments are perceived in this context. Whether you intend to or not, you’re aligning yourself with a cause you likely don’t support.

GOP legislators across US states who chant about freedom when it comes to wearing masks during pandemics and ownership of guns, but who are perfectly fine taking away freedoms when it involves abortion and parents approach to their trans children, or their freedom to compete in non-elite level sports. I should’ve been more clear that I wasn’t referring to members engaging here in this thread. Right, I know this is true. That’s my point. Your valid concerns are being used to add weight to the discriminatory agenda of others. The circles of this Venn diagram overlap quite a bit, and that’s precisely why this topic is being force injected into cultural discourse. It adds legitimacy and weight to an otherwise vacuous cause. We seem to be talking passed each other. Again, my comments were specific to demagogues and autocrats, not you and others here at SFN. It pretty much is, but even if it’s not, unless these are YOUR children, how is it your place to decide? This is an area where authoritarianism creeps in. You don’t get to decide how others raise their children. You can disagree, but their choice is theirs to make… unless you live in any of the many GOP led states making it illegal… which ties back to my previous point. All these people worshiping at the alter of freedom only truly support it when it aligns with their own personal version of morality. If it doesn’t, then they’re perfectly happy imposing their own ideals on to others.

Precisely right, and yet here we are with the “freedom” crowd trying to legislate that choice completely away from parents themselves, and admonishing them in-person and online at nearly every turn, even here at the otherwise knowledgeable, accepting, and reasonable crowd at SFN. Not only is it dehumanizing for trans people, but it’s an attempt to whip up tribalism and easy bogeymen like happened to Jews, all while autocratically removing freedoms from free parents in a free country. It’s a power grab by authoritarians and demagogues. The topic of “fairness in sports” and “we must protect female athletes” just happens to be where they pickup the most non-authoritarian allies in support of their own demagogic undemocratic goals.

How is it rational for a parent to force their child to ignore their self-identity, disregard who they are, and force them through irreversible changes all so they live a lie intended only to please puritanical nosy nellys they’ll never even meet?

Yes. Forgive me. Was just speaking from experience with people I actually know. I’ll try being more academic next time so we may remove their humanity and dehumanize them even more than the rest of society is already doing.

I understand where you’re coming from on this. In reality, if the kid decides they’re trans it seems like it happens closer to 8 or 9 and they’re going to passionately wish to avoid being forced to let puberty change their body in a manner which contradicts their mind… that ignores their self identity. It’s not an easy situation, but it’s wrong of you and others IMO to assume parents are criminals who should be held accountable for accepting and supporting their kids early in receiving hormone blockers and/or supplements. “Not your kid. Not your problem. Leave your personal morality out of my house. You don’t get to dictate to me how to handle my offshoring. You raise your kids and I’ll raise mine.” Doesn’t this perspective also resonate with you? Can you understand where parents of trans kids are coming from?

Enough with the sea-sections, fellas. MSCs most recent post was aborted and his membership terminated for 2 trimesters. Hopefully this gestation brings something better after birth. We won’t be nursing him here for a while, nor cleaning any further spit up.

Lol. Only if we ignore what we’ve known for 180 years. You’re hysterical in your wrongness

No My interest in the topic and reasonable discussion about it is “enough.” My interest in engaging with folks who focus on others personality instead of others points is nil to nonexistent.

He means that despite your claims to the contrary, you still very much exist upon an automated biological platform. Autonomic function like breathing and heartbeat, for example, will ALWAYS over power any of your conscious attempts to prevent them. Try holding your breath… try holding it until you die. You’ll fail. Every time, because you’re automated in multiple and fundamental ways.

Got it. You accused me of refusing to answer questions you never actually asked me and then proceeded to berate me for evasion and introduction of false narratives. Glad we cleared that up.

I hope you feel better now that’s all off your chest and that your visits with mental health professionals are productive. Now, back to the topic… You said you’ve posed questions to me that I refuse to answer. Remind me what thread relevant question(s) you have asked of me that have not yet been answered to your satisfaction.

You have a repellant habit of putting words and motivations into others when those words and motivations don’t exist. So, since you mentioned your communication style: … I’ll confirm for you that your style IS a problem, but it’s not because others are too dumb to comprehend your meaning. It’s because you seem to struggle focusing on their points and choose so often instead to focus on them personally and whine like a petulant bratty toddler. Like here: There’s clearly bile spewing in this thread, but back to my earlier comment regarding a clear lack of self-awareness, you seem blind to the fact that most of it is coming from you.

Or, perhaps they understand biology just fine and simply prioritize different things than you do in context of fairness within games made up of arbitrary rules.