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That doesn't bode well for America after the next election. No matter who wins.

I guess most of us are way off to one side of the spectrum. Don't autistics have a laser-like focus on the subject they are interested in ? We all just wander and meander across all sorts of different subjects. ( Hey ! Did you see that squirrel that ran by ? )

It would be a strange place for a trader to be located, if that was the case. "Historian Patricia Crone has cast doubt on the claim that Mecca was a major historical trading outpost.[51][52] However, other scholars such as Glen W. Bowersock disagree and assert that Mecca was a major trading outpost.[53][54] Crone later on disregarded some of her theories.[55] She argues that Meccan trade relied on skins, hides, manufactured leather goods, clarified butter, Hijazi woollens, and camels. She suggests that most of these goods were destined for the Roman army, which is known to have required colossal quantities of leather and hides for its equipment." From Mecca - Wikipedia

I would think it is much easier to go from millionaire to billionaire than to go from poverty to millionaire. The poor, and even middle class these days, need to spend their money to survive and keep a roof over their heads. They have no 'play' money for investments that can generate large wealth. Usually 'self-made' means starting off with a small fortune, and turning it into a large one ( most often, at the expense of poorer people ). E Musk did not start off as destitute; his family had already acquired wealth in the South African gem business. I'm sure that emerald mine took advantage of a lot of poor black people. Now he's seen as the 'rags to riches' guru, and people flock to invest with him. Similarly, B Gates bought a cheap operating system, and when G Kildall went fishing instead of meeting with IBM, Gates was handed the IBM PC compatibility monopoly which lasts to this day. ( but at least he's using his money for some worthwhile causes, these days , unlike E Musk, or J Bezos )

Non Muslim historical sources "Early Islamic history is also reflected in sources written in Greek, Syriac, Armenian, and Hebrew by Jewish and Christian communities, all of which are dated after 633 CE.[2] These sources contain some essential differences with regard to Muslim sources, in particular regarding the chronology and Muhammad's attitude towards the Jews and Palestine.[2] According to Nevo and Koren, no Byzantine or Syriac sources provide any detail on "Muhammad's early career ... which predate the Muslim literature on the subject".[48] According to Syriac and Byzantine sources studied by historian S.P. Brock,[49] "The title 'prophet' [applied to Muhammad] is not very common, 'apostle' even less so. Normally he is simply described as the first of the Arab kings, and it would be generally true to say that the Syriac sources of this period see the conquests primarily as Arab, and not Muslim" From Historicity of Muhammad - Wikipedia Yes, it was a mix-mash of religions and beliefs from the traders that passed through Mecca. Most religions are based on earlier ones.

If I want to hear a sermon, or preaching, I'll go to a church, or mosque. I come to this science site to discuss science. Are you maybe lost ?

The prophet Mohamed actually started gaining followers in Mecca, of present day Saudi Arabia. The powers of the time drove him out of the city because they feared his growing influence. He went to Medina, where He and his followers raided wagon trains crossing the Arabian peninsula, until He raised enough wealth, and an army, to return and take Mecca. The conquest, and Islam, then spread across North Africa, all the way to the Iberian peninsula before being stopped by Charlemagne's father, and to the East as far as the Punjab. These are documented historical facts, unlike for Christianity, where there is no historical evidence of a Jesus Christ ( He may actually have been a 'composite' person, indicative of the rebellion against the imposed Roman rule of the region ), or, the pure allegory of the Bible, more indicative of the times ( and society ) when those parts of the bible were written ( see Peterkin's post ) than actual historic events.

And it is society that's changed, is it not ? The general usage, and possibly definitions, have changed for society, but I can still identify as a wop, and black individuals certainly as 'n***a'. It certainly can't be each individual deciding for the rest what the definition of a word is. We'd have 8 billion different definitions, and no one would know what anyone else is talking about. ( somewhat like this thread )

Like all religions it has its good and bad. While it tries to encourage some aspects of moral behavior which is good., it is also a means of controlling people, and some of the measures of control are especially barbaric, as they involve consequences in this life, not the 'after-life' It is further complicated by the fact that Islam is re-interpreted by many Imans differently, all over the Muslim world; and some of those Imans control the Government in places where government is not secular.

Again you miss the finer points of context. People decide who they are, or even who they think they are, or want to be. But the definition of the word they may choose to describe themselves with, is chosen by society. And different societies may have differing definitions at different places and different times. It's not rocket surgery ! ( I would have written this in crayon, but INow is threatening a copyright infringement lawsuit )

Damn those copyright laws ...

Ahh, Ok. The FEA program that models fluid flow around aeronautical structures ( with an add-on; otherwise only structural ), that I'm familiar with ( but have never used ) is CATIA. originally developed by Dassault Systems ( part of Dassault Aviation, one of France's two major aerospace companies ), and now in use by many aerospace companies around the world. But I do know that there are other FEA programs that do just that; I believe NASA even developed their own software, but I'm not aware if it supports fluid flow analysis. The OP might look into that.

The question you first asked, Phi, was here in response to what I posted here The above expresses my position on the matter, and you'll note it was posted before your question. My position is that it is defined by the context, and gave examples of differing meanings to different people. And I said I was fine with that. People are free to choose the definition that suits their situation/context. So maybe I was wrong; you might have a reading comprehension problem. Should I write my next post to you in crayon ? Thank you for at least taking time to actually read my posts. Others don't seem so inclined. As a matter of fact , no, we don't know whether this is true. As I said, I was just stirring the pot a little, and wasn't going to pursue it much. Iassumed CharonY would come back with information about research as he always does, but did not expect everyone to ignore my point ( except you ) Here is a google search for autism research into genetic causes of autism - Google Scholar while dwarfism and X Y chromosonal disorders relating to sex don't turn up much, although more specific searches for Klinefelter Syndrome ( XX and XYY male ) and Turner Syndrome ( XXX and XY female ) might. Notice that in Biology and medicine, the genetic 'mutations' ( as Charon Y terms them ) are still referred to as male and female. Maybe someone should explain to Phi about context.

I would think that applies to most, if not all, rich people. Having 'fu*k-you' money tends to dissociate one from the rest of society.

Truth be told, I was taking a poke at his attitude. I guess if was to do it repeatedly, or start a separate thread on that specific subject, it would make me a troll ? ( oops, I did it again ,,, )

Might be in focus if you shrink it down to about 1/10th of its size ... But, with my eyesight, it looks fine to me.

I had never heard of triangular co-ordinates. They are not defined by an axis, nor angle, and would seem to be relational to other objects rather than to a frame. Would like to hear @studiot's take on this ...

I'm not trying to decide anything for anyone, so I don't see where your question come from.( and syop yelling; loud does not win arguments or make right ) If you would take the time to read, instead of jumping in with your chip on your shoulder, you would note that all my posts have been about Joigus stating that XX and XY chromosones define male and female , and INow correcting him with the fact that there are various other chromosonal combinations possible, such as XXX, XXY, XYY, etc. I then,always ready to stir the pot, asked why we try to cure/prevent genetic aberrations like dwarfism, giantism, autism, etc., but we don't try to cure/prevent the XX and XY chromosonal aberrations that INow mentioned to Joigus ? And an explanation that I'm still waiting for. So what exactly, does your loud question have to do with the discussion so far ???? This is now the third time I've recounted the trajectory of this thread and re-explained my query. I know you don't have reading comprehension issues, so I'm led to believe that you simply choose to ignore the points being made, and the questions asked, and simply default to your continuing agenda of trying to paint me as a fascist trying to decide for others what they should be.

If I get to decide what ? I will recap the previous discussion; maybe you missed it. My 'question' was for clarification of something INow replied to Joigus. Essentially that there are genetic conditions other than the typical XX and XY chromosonal pairings, and therefore no clear definition of male or female. I posted that for other genetic conditions like dwarfism ( or autism, as per the other thread ), even though there is no ill effect on the individual or those around him/her, there is active research going on to 'cure' such conditions. I wondered why there is no research going on for the treatment of XX/XY chromosonal aberrations, and all I got in response was an appeal to sympathy for those so afflicted. But I don't know, maybe there is research to find a cure, for those who aren't strictly genetic males or females, or maybe discussion of the subject is frowned upon. I still await a proper explanation. Oh, and your line, which I quoted above, makes me sound like the 'fascist' INow accused me of being ( in jest, of course ), when all I'm asking for is clarification.

That was the first thing that came to my mind also. He's most likely a self-centered ass; nothing to do with slight autism.

Oh, goody. A contest to see who can get the last word in ... ( and I would like to insist that this is NOT trolling )

Some say you can notice this effect upon pouring liquid nitrogen into your cupped hand. I've never been brave enough to try it. Would that be strictly German pricy SUVs ?

You're not J Lennon, either.

And dwarfs used to get tossed ... for sport. Not disagreeing with your assessment; simply pointing out that we treat other groups differently.

My post was referring to INow's post about aberrations to the XX and XY chromosonal pairings. I pointed out that there are many other genetic conditions for which we seek cures. For example, there are genetic conditions that result in deformities, or altered growth rates or limits, and these conditions can often make life unbearable for these individuals, even though there is no physical 'harm' to them, or those around them. So we seek a cure, or treatment, for such conditions. Does that sound similar to any other groups, String Junky ? Is 'dwarfism' a sickness ? Almost all 'short' people can lead healthy, normal, lives, yet society tends to look down on them ( really, no pun intended ). Are you going to tell me there is no active research into curing that genetic condition. My 'identities are apparent to the outside world. My Birth Certificate says I was Born in Italy. My Passport and citizenship papers say I'm Canadian. And anyone can note the absence of a ring on my finger which indicates I'm not an engineer. ( Engineers use those fancy equations for flows, stresses, etc. that we Physicists derive from first principles 😁 ) Sometimes, to the outside world, I appear to be an asshole; and sometimes I definitely am. But I'm still looking for an explanation.