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  1. The theory of motion of a flying saucer. https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/117177-flying-saucer-picture-project-of-a-spacecraft/ This theory explains the appearance of an impulse driving a flying saucer. We first consider a model in which air is object A and a saucer object B. https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/117177-flying-saucer-picture-project-of-a-spacecraft/?do=findComment&comment=1085276 When object B transmits an impulse to object B, mutual repulsion A and B occurs, with the result that they start moving relative to each other. This principle is based on jet propulsion. Thus, the saucer comes into motion without breaking the law of conservation of momentum. A process that occurs in a liquid or gaseous medium can be described as follows. The picture shows atoms or molecules of a liquid or gas that are in a state of perfect rest. Between them are balanced by the forces of attraction and repulsion. The only possible position in which they can be equidistant is triangles, which are combined into hexagons. This corresponds to the crystal structure of water. Atom 1 gets a boost. Suppose that atoms move along the path of least resistance, as the arrows indicate. If these are billiard balls, then each time the impulse 1 will be divided by 3 and will lose power. But if these are atoms or molecules that oscillate, then each time during a collision, the pulse energy will increase, because the vibrating object itself creates a repulsion impulse. There will be a chain reaction, which will lead first to the formation of multiple vortices, the prerequisites for which there is in the figure, turning into large vortices. The saucer converts the force of the vortex into motion. Thus the driving force of the saucer is air resistance. Consequently, the energy that sets the saucer in motion is taken from the air. The flying saucer can accelerate infinitely, with zero resistance getting energy from the air.
  2. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    The impulse gave almost no rebounding because the air is soft. Try to hit the air with an umbrella. I do not think that you can push off. This is only possible while you are pushing.
  3. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    OK. The impulse is evenly distributed between the atoms of the system. They came in a chaotic motion and got warm. Movement B was the result of a certain sequence of impulse transmission.
  4. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    You can tell how it violates the law of conservation of energy. And which statements do you consider questionable?
  5. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    The fact that A and B are pushing in opposite directions has left a small part of the energy. This movement can be neglected. The air and saucer remained practically where they were. The bulk of the energy turned into waves, which continued to move in their respective directions. Waves transfer energy but do not transfer mass. This means that the energy is still preserved in A and B. And as before A and B can transfer it to each other. But B are in the low pressure area that follows the wave. The PB wave will quickly dissipate inside B and no transmitted by A at this time. Because in near B there is almost no A. PA will dissipate for a long time. After some time, the PA will return to B as the wind. PB at this time will be warm
  6. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    I disagree. P turned completely into heat. But the PB impulse made it much earlier than the PA. This difference became the movement of B.
  7. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    The process that occurs when the saucer pushes the air can have a different description. It depends on the speed of the impulse. But its essence remains the same. Let the movement be quick. So it will be easier to describe it using other sources. A saucer B transmits a pulse A to air A and receives air resistance P. A part of the energy P causes the saucer to be pushed back. But the main part of the PA leads to air compression. Knowing the properties of air, we can assume that the impulse of the PA will lead to the formation of a wave ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave ) that will propagate in the direction of the impulse P, upwards. The wave will move by inertia, carrying with it the energy of the pulse P. At the same time, the mass of air A and the mass of saucer B will remain practically in place, with the exception of a small repulsion. Since the wave is an area of high and low pressure, the air will tend to equalize the pressure. If we consider a wave that spreads evenly in a circle, then the wind will begin to restore balance only when the wave loses its strength. But since the wave propagates only in one direction, the restoration of equilibrium will begin immediately after the formation of a wave. If the wave was strong enough, then the wind will follow it not weak. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_wave ) Air resistance will gradually take energy P from the wave, turning it into wind, seeking to fill the area of low pressure behind the wave. The initial wave P is greater than the wind P. Therefore, the wind will follow the wave, trying to catch up with the area of low pressure. This will occur as long as the P wave has completely transformed into the P wind, and it will equalize the pressure difference. It is worth noting that the momentum of the PB has not gone away. He created a corresponding oscillation in object B. But if object B is strong enough, they will quickly go out. As a result, we get the wind PA and the sound of the PB, which together will create the effect of a flying saucer. This is because the wave carries energy, but not the mass of air. Air A remains in place and returns momentum to the saucer. In this case, the direction of the PA does not change
  8. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    I agree. I drew attention to this fact, because it indicates that object B was already set in motion without violating the law of conservation of energy. As far as I understand, that was exactly what had to be proved.
  9. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    When object A and object B receive an impulse P in opposite directions, a reactive motion will occur, because they are repelled from each other. If the impulse P of object A is transmitted to object B, the movement will stop. In this case, the AB system always remains at rest relative to the initial position. But position B regarding A has changed. This is enough, because object B may already be in another galaxy, while remaining part of the AB system.
  10. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    I know about saving momentum. Energy can not come from nowhere. In order to understand the process it is necessary to understand the principle of the movement of water or gas. Let's consider the following model. What is a substance (eg water) Atoms or molecules of a substance are equally spaced from each other. The forces of their mutual attraction and repulsion are balanced. And the substance is at rest. A structure in which the distances between points are equal will look like equilateral triangles. They in turn turn into hexagons. To a certain extent, this corresponds to the structure of water in a calm state. Like a snowflake. Suppose that if you apply a force to one of the atoms, then its movement is possible only along the path of least resistance. This property also has a water. Now look at the picture. We push atom 1 and the arrows show the direction in which the energy transfer of this impact is possible. It's like in billiards. We see that part of the water resistance force goes in a circle and comes back to us from behind. And the energy that does not return to us is distributed evenly in a circle. This construction is a purely logical problem. But it corresponds to the process that exists. The role of inertia here is that this process takes place for a certain time. Atoms are pushing each other in turns and we get a blow from behind when we forget that we were pushed forward and returned to the starting position. If we consider this on the example of a square-shaped crucifix, we will get a completely different picture, which will also correspond to the real one. For example, if we hit the metal. It seems that when science lacks data, conduct research
  11. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    I understand that this conversation has stalled. The problem is that all denials are based on incomplete information. And to find a reliable source with the missing information, to use it as an argument, is impossible or very difficult. This argument is that the environment (water or air) continues to move by inertia after it gets accelerated. This is because every atom of air or water has a mass. Is this speculative information? It turns out that the concept can not be proved due to the fact that I can not find a link to a simple fact. All my explanations are meaningless without this fact.
  12. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    The flow of air that creates the force occurs around each individual blade. But this is not written To describe the work of the saucer you need to understand how a whirlwind forms in the air and why it continues after it has been created. This should be considered at a more complex level. I just have no time to think it over now.
  13. MasterOgon

    Flying saucer. Picture, project of a spacecraft

    I told you that you will not find confirmation of this data anywhere. I have a clear interpretation of the results of the experiment. The saucer pushes away from the air. I described how this happens in all possible ways and well-known analogies. With the help of the experiment, you can make sure that this happens, and understand exactly how. If there is no concept of "inertia of the air flow", does this mean that the air cannot move by inertia? I think the result of the experiment is more important than any reliable sources. The wind tunnel was thought for good reason. The process I'm talking about is happening near the aerodynamic plane. This example is great. Even if the saucer will have the shape of a helicopter blade.