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  1. Enigma of the existence of evil and the Garden of Eden and God the Benevolent I know the story of the Garden and Eden and the fall of man is most likely a mythical account of a peoples interaction with God, long past in the mists of time I will try in my own humble way to answer this most difficult question. How can we ever reconcile the fact of sin/ evil, suffering and pain, existing side by side with a benevolent holy God of light and love? Let us go back to the story of the Garden of Eden God says to Adam in Gen1, Chap. 2 Verse. 17, “that he may eat of any tree except the “tree of knowledge of good and evil”. Note; There was a tree of knowledge …

  2. Started by doG,

    Just wondering..... David Berkowitz gave an odd reason for killing, he claimed that to keep the demons quiet, he started doing what they wanted. Gary Ridgway, whose IQ was 80, which signified a slight mental deficiency, plead guilty to 48 charges in 2003, but claimed to have killed 71 women. Charles Manson was religious and used this to manipulate people into forming the Manson family. His family calling him “Jesus Christ” and did everything he wanted, including murder. Albert Fish may have been America’s most vile pedophile, serial killer, and cannibal. He believed God ordered him to castrate young boys. This was diagnosed as religious psychosis and is w…

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  3. Started by njaohnt,

    Hello. Here I want to hear all the evidence that the Christians have. If you have evidence, please do this. Evidence: some evidence some evidence some evidence Note that "Evidence" is size 4, and "some evidence" is size 3.

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  4. I'm not a conspirasist, I don't think the government is out to get us but this is the only "conspiracy" I believe in. Their was a church before their was Jesus. Christianity was not a religion until after the birth of "Christ." Personally I think the church didn't like Jesus's preaching about God. Jesus spoke of pacifism, truth, equality, and much more wise things. The church had ignorant ways and realized they had to "adopt" Jesus of Nazareth's ways if they were to keep some of their views in the world. They wrote a religious text, the bible. I have read some of the bible, not the whole thing. I'll be honest but the little bit I read out of the bible was enough …

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  5. Started by Alan McDougall,

    Hi why put this question here, because it is a philosophical question not a religious one. Religions all believe in the existence of God! Can the existence of God be proved or disproved. My idea is that there is more evidence albeit circumstancial, for the existence than for the non-existence of God. I am open to your ideas! Alan

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  6. Started by rigney,

    Have you ever given this a thought? http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=241391

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  7. Started by MrAndrew1337,

    Post them here! MINE: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under t…

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  8. Started by Aethelwulf,

    When someone says the word ''God'' most people think of divine, omnipotent, omnipresent and all-knowing entities. There are some problems with an all-knowing entity, such as the Uncertainty Principle. If a God truly exists, he must abide by the rules of quantum mechanics. If he didn't it surely would cause a tremendous discharge of energy from each and every particle in the universe due to [math]\Delta E \Delta t[/math]. There is one reason why (a) God cannot be outside of the rules of quantum physics, assuming that relativity has any universal truth or precedence. Since nothing exists outside of the universe, we must assume God is contained within his own creation -…

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  9. Started by RAFF,

    I was wondering what people's thoughts were on eternal experience? Not in the sense of an afterlife in another realm or reincarnation but perhaps Panpsychism?

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  10. Three elements of influence are present in the lives of those who develop a genuine belief in a god. They are based on the widley accepted accounts of the founders of major belief systems and sages of all eras and cultural backgrounds. They are: 1. an innate and genuine personal pursuit of the subject of a god 2. related testimonies of either a direct or narrative nature 3. the reported experience, in varying degrees, of a drawing or influencing presence from a transcendent spiritual realm Although the relevant sequence of important varies among religous factions related to these factors, one universally element remains critically important; a personal intere…

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  11. Why is Cambridge University all of a sudden collecting information about esoteric religious traditions around the globe? What are they up to? See this - http://ccwe.wordpress.com/

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  12. Started by mr.spaceman,

    Hi I'm curious with a picture that will reveal this poll How many people share that the universe is several thousand years old and what are their arguments. What about evidence? Fossils, geological layers, cosmological evidence etc. I hope the number of this kind of people on science forum is extremely low How many religious (or believers) people agree that the universe is billions of years old, and so on The scientific view is quite obvious to me

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  13. Started by Mr Rayon,

    For those who are atheists, what is it that makes you believe there is no God? Scientifically, there has been no evidence to suggest that there is no God, so why don't these people believe in a Creator? If you are an atheist, what are your reasons for becoming one? Was it based on extensive studies of any religious texts or was it just through a sudden whim? Some people look for answers by analyzing this century's greatest scientific minds (e.g. Albert Einstein) and their beliefs and adopting their views without a single thought. Others think that morally every individual has the equal ability of distinguishing the difference between right and wrong and based on these…

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  14. Started by astrocat5,

    Jesus said, 'I am the truth, the light and the way.' I think God is a part of the old Jewish religion, and does not apply. Jesus never said he was the son of God - others said that about him. Jesus called himself 'The Son of Man,' just to let us know. His prayer, The Our Father that he taught us, is not a prayer to God, but to Our Heavenly Father. There was a time when everybody in the world turned against God. This is in the bible, I'm not making it up. That's right, everybody in the world turned against God - except for one man, Noah. Now you remember. I thought you would. Anyway, God killed eveybody in the world except for Noah (and his family.) Then, ever…

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  15. Why do scientist, religion and quantum physicist talk bad about each other?? I have read over and over again about how quantum physicist and regular physicist are always in debates about the quantum of action this, and derivatives that.... While on the religion side most scientist denote the existence of god never thinking twice that maybe the belief in god gives someone hope in where, " the leaders" of this world can't. Take this away from the believer in god, they may end up an abuser "again", a hater "again" etc.. Maybe science and or school was too difficult for the believer, so they chose an idolization such as god to have something to believe in. …

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  16. My difficulties with the concepts of karma and reincarnation REFUTING THE BELIEF IN KARMA Karma is a belief that a person has to live many lives and improve in each until they become an ascended master and finally lose self-awareness into the mindless soup of the cosmic mind. Alternatively, one chooses ones own next life from the spiritual plane in order to learn something in the next. It is claimed by some variants of this illogical belief that one might have to live sometimes millions of lives before becoming perfect to escape the cycle of birth and rebirth and find enlightenment. I believe this Karma is nonsense and will list my objections…

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  17. Started by life station,

    good evening friends i just want to corelate science and religion on subject big bang (as science ) creation (as religion )in this both cases what is common? in religion god creates the universe and in science a point before big bang creates the universe .in both case who created god? no answer who created that point ? no answer so i think we are stil searching the truth

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  18. Started by Moontanman,

    If you area believer and think the bible is a superior moral code... read it!

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  19. Started by music,

    I suspect that you and I use the word "impossible" in different ways, but I need some help from experts to figure it out. For instance, what would have been the condition of Jesus' brain after three days of death, even if they'd stored the body in the best possible conditions available to them? As far as I can tell (here is one area where some knowledgeable person could help us), the neurons of his brain would have lost their connections, even if they would survive. Just in case that's true, let's posit that the neurons of his brain reconnected themselves - this would seem to be a necessary but not sufficient cause for resurrection, and we can put off for now th…

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  20. Started by immortal,

    It depends on the kind of immortality which you wish to have. There were early Christians who believed that they didn't had to wait till the last resurrection day to achieve salvation and believed that they could become one with Christ in their life time. This is the highest form of immortality. This means that irrespective of whether you transmigrate to an another physical body or to a spirit world you're still subject to the forces of nature and you're still in bondage and who knows when is the last judgement day and so it is said that those who don't resurrect while they are alive they receive nothing once they have died. Rising the dead This is …

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  21. Started by immortal,

    What is Bridal chamber and what does this ritual mean?

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  22. Started by Moontanman,

    Is it ok to test military personnel to make sure they believe in god?

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  23. However, I see no purpose in trying to convince theists that they are wrong... there is really no point for this since there is no point to our existence at all. I would rather them be happy on this random rock in the middle of nowhere. Who cares. Why fight it.

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  24. I hear so many religious leaders claim that God exists out of time. Here is an example of their belief. No logical arguement has ever been given in m experience. See Does God exist outside of time and sees all of time at once. at http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2008/11-09.html This particular author seems inteligent enough to know better. E.g. her quotes the following It warms the heart to hear someone in religion is intelligent. Others just can't get their mind on what it means to exist outsie of time. I'd betcha that none of them has ever spoken to a physicist or a philosopher of science. lol!

  25. Continued from the Topic Title and see if they were wrong ? And should this be compared to what is written in the New Testament ?

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